For those who are thinking about a 991.1, here is an insider review

[saeyedoc]

I don't consider PTV/LSD/RAS nannies, to me they are performance options.

[quattr0]

Originally Posted by Rambler

Great thing about the new T is that you can also option in sport bucket seats but once you add in all the goodies, you start approaching or exceeding the S price. But if you can spec a 911T with sport buckets and PTV/LSD for close to $115k, that, imo, is the best current 911 offering outside the GT3.

Totally agree with the above. I would definitely get a T if I could do it again. Without bucket seats tho since I don't track.

Unless you really like the wider rear/look of the GTS and won't mind dropping 15-20k extra over the base, you are really missing out!

I recently added piggyback to my .2 base which yield 380 whp on dynojet. Base dyno was 350 whp. That's Carrera S power level there! Another bench flash with race gas yields 450+ whp. That's faster than a stock GTS!

Next mods will be GT3 control arms and anti-roll bars then I should be set for awhile until...turbos upgrade

Sorry OP...didn't mean to hijack your post. But thought I would share for those who are on the bench with base vs S vs GTS....

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Rambler

The new base with the 3.0 turbo is a much better proposition than in prior generations since the HP and performance level is much closer to the S. Some actually prefer the smaller turbos in the base vs. the S or GTS since there is less perceived turbo lag and a more linear feeling. However, there are certain items that cannot be optioned with the base (unless you opt for the new 911T), including rear axle steering and PTV/LSD. Also, the base comes with smaller brakes. So for some, the unavailability of these options is a deal breaker but overall, the base is a great step-in to the 911 range. Great thing about the new T is that you can also option in sport bucket seats but once you add in all the goodies, you start approaching or exceeding the S price. But if you can spec a 911T with sport buckets and PTV/LSD for close to $115k, that, imo, is the best current 911 offering outside the GT3. Especially since I believe sport buckets cannot be optioned on any other non-GT variants (at least in the US).

Edit: PTV is actually standard on the T so you could definitely do a nice spec for under $115k (before negotiating any possible discounts). I'd want Miami blue though which would put it right around $115k!

I was looking at the base til someone informed me there’s no rear diff on the car.

I find that unacceptable for a sports car.

[dkhm3]

T Removes entire entertainment screen no nav no radio nothing from what I can configure on the website.

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

T Removes entire entertainment screen no nav no radio nothing from what I can configure on the website.

PTV includes the rear diff and the following is standard in the T per the configurator (I believe radio delete is an option which may soon go away due to safety standards such as rear camera requirements):

SiriusXM® Satellite Radio (with 3-month trial) and HD Radio™ Receiver

Sound Package Plus sound system featuring 8 Speakers and 150 Watt output

Audio interfaces: CD/DVD drive, 11 GB internal jukebox storage, 2 USB slots and 2 SD card slots

Porsche Communication Management (PCM) incl. Online Navigation Module, mobile phone preparation, audio interfaces including Bluetooth®, USB, and Aux-in

Connect Plus incl. Online Navigation Module, Apple® CarPlay, telephone module, and wireless internet access, as well as Porsche Car Connect including Carfinder, Remote Vehicle Status, Remote Services, and Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (PVTS)

Bluetooth® hands-free mobile phone connection, using Hands Free Profile (HFP)

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by sameh

So I feel like I should have updated my post since I wrote it initially. You know how changing from one car to another after years you incorrectly judge certain things in the new car just because it doesn't feel the same as the old. Steering in my C2S is one of those. I think I didn't express my opinion as I should.
Before my current Porsche I never driven a rear engine car before, the front end felt so light like a shopping cart with all the weight on the back wheels but front is light and playful, it took me about 2 months to completely get used to that and now I can feel the steering much better and yes it's amazing. It wasn't the steering feel it was more the significantly lighter front end weight that I was feeling.

As crazy as this might sound I tell people that inquire about Porsche this one little thing......"you have to learn how to drive one". The normal response is "I know how to drive". Yes but driving a Porsche is a little different because the engine is now behind you and that creates a new set of skills for you to learn. It takes some time to adjust to the new adventure .......Phil

[sameh]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

As crazy as this might sound I tell people that inquire about Porsche this one little thing......"you have to learn how to drive one". The normal response is "I know how to drive". Yes but driving a Porsche is a little different because the engine is now behind you and that creates a new set of skills for you to learn. I takes some time to adjust to the new adventure .......Phil

Completely agree!! It's agreeing with my driving style though which has made the transition "orgasmic". I've always enjoyed cornering fast and coming out fast, throttle steering with linear power and occasional mini controlled drifts, put all of that together = 991.1 S
Porsche made me see earlier apex for every corner and gave me a whole lot of confident coming out faster.
What a car!

[nicknaz]

^not sure what you meant by "earlier apex" but please really try not to early apex corners...

Edit: I'd get a gt4 over a base car.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Rambler

PTV includes the rear diff and the following is standard in the T per the configurator (I believe radio delete is an option which may soon go away due to safety standards such as rear camera requirements):

SiriusXM® Satellite Radio (with 3-month trial) and HD Radio™ Receiver

Sound Package Plus sound system featuring 8 Speakers and 150 Watt output

Audio interfaces: CD/DVD drive, 11 GB internal jukebox storage, 2 USB slots and 2 SD card slots

Porsche Communication Management (PCM) incl. Online Navigation Module, mobile phone preparation, audio interfaces including Bluetooth®, USB, and Aux-in

Connect Plus incl. Online Navigation Module, Apple® CarPlay, telephone module, and wireless internet access, as well as Porsche Car Connect including Carfinder, Remote Vehicle Status, Remote Services, and Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (PVTS)

Bluetooth® hands-free mobile phone connection, using Hands Free Profile (HFP)

I have already factory ordered 2 Porsches for my folks recently, so I am pretty familiar with the website, what am I missing?

base 911- where do you option PTV? I don't see it here, as I noted the base 911 has no differential which is standard on the 911 S and awd models, also-I thought the PTV was brake based, not diff based.

"PTV (with manual transmission) or PTV Plus (with PDK) is available as standard in the S models and as an option for the 911 Carrera 4 models. Both systems actively enhance vehicle dynamics and stability. Operating in conjunction with a rear differential lock, they work by intelligently braking the rear wheels as the situation demands.

When the car is driven assertively into a corner, moderate brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Consequently, a greater amount of drive force is distributed to the outside rear wheel, inducing an additional rotational pulse (yaw movement) around the vehicle’s vertical axis. This results in a direct and sporty steering action from the turn-in point."





911 T - Where do you option PCM? I don't see. Center display missing:

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I have already factory ordered 2 Porsches for my folks recently, so I am pretty familiar with the website, what am I missing?

base 911- where do you option PTV? I don't see it here, as I noted the base 911 has no differential which is standard on the 911 S and awd models, also-I thought the PTV was brake based, not diff based.

"PTV (with manual transmission) or PTV Plus (with PDK) is available as standard in the S models and as an option for the 911 Carrera 4 models. Both systems actively enhance vehicle dynamics and stability. Operating in conjunction with a rear differential lock, they work by intelligently braking the rear wheels as the situation demands.

When the car is driven assertively into a corner, moderate brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Consequently, a greater amount of drive force is distributed to the outside rear wheel, inducing an additional rotational pulse (yaw movement) around the vehicle’s vertical axis. This results in a direct and sporty steering action from the turn-in point."

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911 T - Where do you option PCM? I don't see. Center display missing:

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I never said the base had PTV, in fact I said the exact opposite. My original post (#44) was referring to the T having PTV/LSD. Regarding radio options, I copied and pasted the standard spec from the T configurator vs. concluding based on the above photo. My understanding is that checking the Bose option only upgrades the base stereo as per the standard spec sheet.

[Rambler]

Also, PTV adds the LSD. This is per the 911T website description:

Fitted as standard, Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) enhances vehicle dynamics and stability. Operating in conjunction with a limited slip rear differential, the system works by intelligently braking the rear wheels as the situation demands. When the car is driven assertively into a corner, moderate brake pressure is applied to the inside rear wheel. Consequently, a greater amount of drive force is distributed to the outside rear wheel, inducing an additional rotational pulse (yaw moment) around the vehicle’s vertical axis. The result is experienced through direct and sporty steering action from the turn-in point.

The mechanically regulated rear differential lock included with PTV has an asymmetrical lock factor. This helps to provide greater traction when braking into and accelerating out of corners, and when driving on road surfaces with varying grip.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...ights/chassis/

[BK]

FYI, for the 991, PTV includes a mechanical LSD for cars with the manual transmission, a continuously-variable electronic LSD (brake-based) with the auto transmission.

PTV is on the S models and higher, not available on the base but is available on the C4. I'm not familiar with the Carrera T, but I'll take your word for it PTV is an option.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Rambler

I never said the base had PTV, in fact I said the exact opposite. My original post (#44) was referring to the T having PTV/LSD. Regarding radio options, I copied and pasted the standard spec from the T configurator vs. concluding based on the above photo. My understanding is that checking the Bose option only upgrades the base stereo as per the standard spec sheet.

My point was that the base 911 was great for me til I found out I couldn't get a diff on a 100k sports car.

I think for me, the GTS is the dream car in that lineup.

[Damage Inc]

Originally Posted by AMS1988

So I should definitely get into that C2S I have been eyeing for all these months now? Or should I really go for the GTS? I was having a hard time believing that the C2S was really that MUCH better than the F80 but you can’t all be wrong.

Which GTS? 991.1 GTS or M4 GTS?

I have a 991.1 GTS, its sublime. I can highly recommend it as a drivers car. Just check resale values, holding steady at $100k+. Normal S is fantastic but you have to make sure to check the right option boxes - SC / PSE / etc.

I never even considered the M4 GTS, even at $90k, and have zero interest in owning one. No special motor, no manual, just loud and harsh and boy racer looking. I dont understand WTF BMW is thinking

[quattr0]

Originally Posted by BK

I'm not familiar with the Carrera T, but I'll take your word for it PTV is an option.

PTV comes as standard w the T per T pdf document from Porsche web site.

[AMS1988]

Originally Posted by MojorisinM3

Which GTS? 991.1 GTS or M4 GTS?

I have a 991.1 GTS, its sublime. I can highly recommend it as a drivers car. Just check resale values, holding steady at $100k+. Normal S is fantastic but you have to make sure to check the right option boxes - SC / PSE / etc.

I never even considered the M4 GTS, even at $90k, and have zero interest in owning one. No special motor, no manual, just loud and harsh and boy racer looking. I dont understand WTF BMW is thinking

Sorry, should have specified. I meant the 991.2 GTS but I’d be so happy to get a Carmine Red 991.1 GTS.

[sameh]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

^not sure what you meant by "earlier apex" but please really try not to early apex corners...

Edit: I'd get a gt4 over a base car.

Maybe earlier apex isn't the correct terminology The line you take if you aggressively take a 90 angle corner in a C2S is tighter than the line you've had in an M3. I drive same corners for years and pushed my M3 to the limits many times in past years with different tire thread, temp,....,...., I was pleasantly surprised that in the C2S I could take same corners more aggressively than what I could in M3.
But I appreciate the driving advice you gave me, I'll try to remember that next time!!

[nicknaz]

Last 911 crash I saw (997 tt cab at Sonoma) seems like it was early apex on t10, leading to an off into the wall.