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+1 Im with you on that one
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As BMW explained in one of the tech articles, a turbo engine doesn't provide that natural pitch increase in intake sound as revs rise, unlike a NA engine. As @Solstice pointed out, you can change gears by ear when you have become familiar with a NA engine. That effect is less pronounced on a turbo engine, where the intake sound looses that dimension. I believe that what we have heard is the intake sound/engine noise coming from a turbo engine with little intake air muffling (on a regular car, intake air is muffled significantly since most drivers would object to that much noise from the engine). |
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It's already on the forums.
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Many people are generalizing that getting a louder exhaust will "cure" the Active Sound? This is not relevant. As stated in the original article and many posts, the induction noise is being slightly amplified and has nothing to do with the exhaust.
There will never be an option to turn off the active sound in the iDrive. Reason: BMW would be admitting to a fault or design flaw. Since they added it and can defend it as part of their total package, it will never be an "option". |
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Ironically, the people in this forum that bitch and whine about sound are the ones who gave the idea to BMW of active sound in the first place. |
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Exactly! I don't mind amplification at all. But don't give me something that's not there. |
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Just to be clear, I do not think this is a fault or flaw with their design, but by offering an "off" switch to active sound, it would imply that option is not needed or effective or whatever. |
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The lack of induction sound on a turbocharged engine isn't a design fault or flaw, it's natural. Do I think active sound is needed? No. Do I care that it exists? Also no. I'll say it again, the same people that are bitching about the overall sound are the ones that caused this design attribute to be added to placate them. |
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I said bmw would not offer an off switch because it would imply a flaw. And, since they defend their design, they do not believe there is a flaw. I can't break it down any more for you. Square peg in square hole, got it? |
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IMO, the reason there's no off switch is that BMW considers it just another part of the car, like having 4 wheels, or quad exhaust pipes, etc. |
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Anyway 2-3% seems like marketing. We can easily confirm this if someone pulls the fuse. Also, referencing the exhaust seems a bit irrelevant since what we are talking about here is induction noise.
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PS: I wasn't talking about exhaust note. I used the general term "sound" since the people bitching about the "sound" of the F8X talk about both the induction noise and exhaust. |
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Which is why the true believers should have done it. I mean, electronically aided sound is piddles compared to an iconic sports car marque introducing a SUV. That's heresy. It's like Yankee Stadium selling Fenway Franks.
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y the big fuzz about the exhaust and active sound?
How many E9X have a stock exhaust????? Try then judge...Get an aftermarket exhaust if you have to
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this has ZERO to do with adding a exhaust or even talking about exhaust noise. WE are talking about sound playing in the cars audio speakers. Plus the E9x had a really good sounding engine ( not exhaust) stock.
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Why is exhaust/engine note so important in the first place? Because it's mechanical music to our ears. Humans can now move large pieces of metal back and forth thousands of times per minute and the sound it makes captivates and amazes us, as it should. Now that my brain know there's human intervention between the source of the sound and my ears, I weirdly lose trust and the mechanical music sounds less amazing. Exhaust/engine sound has been used as a marketing tool for a long time but it's always been expensive to design/adjust due to the modifiers being mechanical. But now BMW thought of a way to make this marketing tool digitally adjustable. It's quite brilliant from a marketing point of view.
This doesn't rule out an M4 being in my future, but it's definitely in the cons column. I feel in my bones that BMW has moved into a cost cutting phase company-wide and are trying to maximize profit by offsetting expensive materials with cheaper materials and marketing. Every purchase is a negotiation and in every negotiation there's a sucker. I don't want to be BMW's sucker. I'd rather give my cash to a car company that's still trying to grow by gaining market share and not by cost cutting and cheapo marketing gimmicks. The internal combustion M cars should really focus on being mechanical marvels. Once you start digitizing stuff - you're instantly throwing yourself into direct competition with Tesla who are already miles ahead. Personally I would love a fully loaded Tesla with 0 exhaust/engine sound. There's a Russian saying, "It's neither fish nor meat. I don't know what it is." I think this applies here. If I desire a car with digital trickery, I'm going to get a Tesla because no one does digital trickery better. If this makes me sound super anal and picky, you're right, I am. Any non-commercial road car at 100k is a complete rip off, and I'm ok with that, but I'm sure as hell going to get EXACTLY what I want. Last edited by noblebabyfeets; 05-29-2014 at 08:38 PM.. |
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