Drove the M4, not impressed with 1st and 2nd gear

[Turbo_435i]

Drove a manual M4, and was not impressed with the manual.

1st and 2nd gear felt underpowered, or laggy somewhat, not sure if turbo lag or what.....

But 3rd gear was like a friggin frwight train out of control......pulled like a BEAST!!!!!

I only drove the manual because ot was all the dealer had, no auto....

Another thing.... There is just too mich hesitation between shifts too.... The auto is much smoother at shifts....drove the 235i & 228i....

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by schybrid

Drove a manual M4, and was not impressed with the manual.

1st and 2nd gear felt underpowered, or laggy somewhat, not sure if turbo lag or what.....

But 3rd gear was like a friggin frwight train out of control......pulled like a BEAST!!!!!

I only drove the manual because ot was all the dealer had, no auto....

Another thing.... There is just too mich hesitation between shifts too.... The auto is much smoother at shifts....drove the 235i & 228i....

Sounds like traction control. Hesitation between shifts would be a driver issue in a manual, no?

235i/228i don't use the same transmission as M3/M4. The Ms have DCT.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by schybrid

Drove a manual M4, and was not impressed with the manual.

1st and 2nd gear felt underpowered, or laggy somewhat, not sure if turbo lag or what.....

But 3rd gear was like a friggin frwight train out of control......pulled like a BEAST!!!!!

I only drove the manual because ot was all the dealer had, no auto....

Another thing.... There is just too mich hesitation between shifts too.... The auto is much smoother at shifts....drove the 235i & 228i....

If you floored the throttle with DSC activated in 1st and 2nd, it will seriously cut down on power. Even US-MDM can be quite restrictive.

Next time try it with DSC off (or at least in MDM) , just be ready to catch it

[smithf80]

I find it more shocking your deal only had manual in stock.

[04cobra]

Originally Posted by schybrid

Drove a manual M4, and was not impressed with the manual.

1st and 2nd gear felt underpowered, or laggy somewhat, not sure if turbo lag or what.....

But 3rd gear was like a friggin frwight train out of control......pulled like a BEAST!!!!!

I only drove the manual because ot was all the dealer had, no auto....

Another thing.... There is just too mich hesitation between shifts too.... The auto is much smoother at shifts....drove the 235i & 228i....

Were you in Sport + ?

[Matt_B]

Originally Posted by smithf32

I find it more shocking your deal only had manual in stock.

Last time I was in my dealer had two Ms in stock, an M4 coupe and an M4 vert. Both manual.

[smithf80]

Originally Posted by Matt_B

Last time I was in my dealer had two Ms in stock, an M4 coupe and an M4 vert. Both manual.

Interesting. That's great to hear some dealers are stocking 6 speed.

I wish BMW had an easy way to search new inventory like they do for CPO inventory.

[AM4ZING]

I bought my M4 in 6MT a few weeks ago and i have put on 600 miles...

1-There is definitely a lack of power due to traction control. 1st,2nd & 3rd gears...
2-Shifting on this car is the smooth. Best manual transmission ive ever driven... shifts/downshifts can be performed at lighting speeds without intervention...
3-By underpowered, do you mean you redlined 1st and 2nd gear but didnt feel a pull? thats highly unlikely unless traction control limited the entire process

[dkhm3]

this must be driver related, like others have said could be tc. There is no discernable turbo lag for this car.

I find there is a slight hesitation when coasting at highway speeds and then gunning it, so I find I get a better response lowering 2 gears first then flooring it.

i.e. crusing in 7th @ 70, then dropping 2 gears to 5th for 10 secs before flooring it at 4th.

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Were you in Sport + ?

This needs to be the first question when these threads pop up, even before assuming traction control kicked in.

The default engine mode is efficient, and there is definitely noticeable lag as well as softer throttle response.

People need to be putting the car in sport+ to get a real sense of what the engine can do.

[Turbo_435i]

I had car in sport+,

And traction yellow light was "lit up" meaning off...

Keep in mind it was a test drive too, soo i wasnt driving it like i stole it, and slamming the gears.... I was shifting it somewhat normal,, prob reason for hesitation between gears.... But once in gear, it seemed strong, but not wheel breaking powerful......

How many efffin traction controls are there on car ?????? Just the one ???


Also, dealer had manual.... Because it was an abandoned order .....

[A418t81]

As already said, traction is a real concern in the first few gears, and the traction control system even in MDM is still very intrusive.

[Turbo_435i]

It could also be the fact that the car is soo balanced and smooth.....and added weight vs 2 series.... That it felt slower than it actually was...... This was only in 1st and 2nd gears.... 3rd felt like a supra turbo ready for lift off

[04cobra]

Originally Posted by schybrid

I had car in sport+,

And traction yellow light was "lit up" meaning off...

Keep in mind it was a test drive too, soo i wasnt driving it like i stole it, and slamming the gears.... I was shifting it somewhat normal,, prob reason for hesitation between gears.... But once in gear, it seemed strong, but not wheel breaking powerful......

How many efffin traction controls are there on car ?????? Just the one ???


Also, dealer had manual.... Because it was an abandoned order .....

Based on your other thread it sounds like you might be happier with an auto 235i

[Turbo_435i]

Originally Posted by A418t81

As already said, traction is a real concern in the first few gears, and the traction control system even in MDM is still very intrusive.

Then how can someone do a burnout ?

[Turbo_435i]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

Based on your other thread it sounds like you might be happier with an auto 235i

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Elaborate

Im asking ppl here that have driven the manual & auto possibly, maybe there IS a hesitation/lack of power on both, or maybe just manual. Its the reason i made this thread.

It very well could be the traction control issue.

I dont understand the traction control.... Turn it off, and it still activates ????

My older infiniti used to do that shit, and it pissed me off!!!!

[carsrmyvice]

Originally Posted by schybrid

Then how can someone do a burnout ?

If you want to do burnouts then turn dsc off and bring your driving skill set. Otherwise, forget burnouts as they are for teenagers in 5.0s

What he is saying is that the computer will cut power before you can break the tires loose. It does that to keep more m3s off the front page of jalopnik, because most who buy this car aren't exactly senna.

[Bluex]

Originally Posted by Racer20

This needs to be the first question when these threads pop up, even before assuming traction control kicked in.

The default engine mode is efficient, and there is definitely noticeable lag as well as softer throttle response.

People need to be putting the car in sport+ to get a real sense of what the engine can do.

This is completely true. After 5 days of Autobahn driving, I can tell you that driving in sport and sport+ the difference in throttle response compared to efficient is night and day. Efficient was comparatively boring. I can certainly see how anyone would be disappointed if the first time they drove the car if it was in this mode......

[Stilakazam]

Originally Posted by schybrid

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Elaborate

Im asking ppl here that have driven the manual & auto possibly, maybe there IS a hesitation/lack of power on both, or maybe just manual. Its the reason i made this thread.

It very well could be the traction control issue.

I dont understand the traction control.... Turn it off, and it still activates ????

My older infiniti used to do that shit, and it pissed me off!!!!

There are two levels of traction control in the car. Full on, MDM and off.

Full on has no light in the dash. MDM has lights on the dash (you might have been in this mode) one of which will say MDM. full off will just have a light with a tc icon and off indicated under the icon.

I find that in first and second gear with dsc off you should be able to light up the tires at any point by stabbing the throttle in 1st and 2nd and sometimes 3rd. If it doesn't feel that way could be dsc, losing traction and not noticing or some other thing.

Do you remember what lights were showing?

To get dsc off you have to hold the dsc button until the off light shows. If you just press it once it will toggle between dsc fully on and MDM mode.

(Note: this can also be assigned by the m1 and m2 buttons)

Hope this helps.

[Turbo_435i]

Ok.... Well that explains it!!!!

I only touched the traction button once, meaning it was probably still hampering the power, during launches , changing gears etc,,, fuqqqqqqqq, now i wanna drive an autocand see how it respomds with traction fully OFFFFFFFF!!!!!

[Turbo_435i]

Originally Posted by carsrmyvice

If you want to do burnouts then turn dsc off and bring your driving skill set. Otherwise, forget burnouts as they are for teenagers in 5.0s

What he is saying is that the computer will cut power before you can break the tires loose. It does that to keep more m3s off the front page of jalopnik, because most who buy this car aren't exactly senna.

Dont get me wrong, i DONT wanna do burnouts. Believe me, with the tires the M3 comes with, i pray i dont get much wheelspin!!!! One burnout could cost $50 of tire tread.

I was saying "burnout", meaning the traction control to be FULLY OFF....

[Turbo_435i]

What does MDM stand for ?