bootmod3 Dyno testing

proTUNING Freaks · 08-26-2016, 10:32 AM

As some of you know we started testing on a local DCT M4 to see what headaches the TCU will bring us as opposed to the 6MT car given what we've built so far. Grab a coffee or beer (although tequila usually does wonders

) and we'll go through it

Both cars have K&N dropin filters, DCT car also has downpipes.

We wanted to see how the same tune would compare to the 6MT with stock downpipes on the same dyno in very similar conditions.

In the graph below, you can see the car with downpipes making more midrange power/torque but up top power evens out. In fact the 6MT with stock downpipes made a little more power than the DCT with downpipes

At the end of the night the dyno room was very hot. We didn't have the cooldowns we wanted and right next to us there was a lot of testing being done on a Mustang 5.0 build that was running extremely rich polluting air making for absolutely worst ambients possible. It was almost 11pm and we wanted to go home without waiting for room to clear so it is what it is at this time, no glory!

Downpipes on stock turbos seem to provide a nice midrange power/tq advantage over the stock downpipes but past 6k there doesn't really seem to be much of an advantage over stock downpipes, on pump gas. With more boost/flow in the top end with higher octane, maybe.

Dyno RUN descriptions:
Run 31: 6MT M4, K&N dropin filters, stock - previous thread on Stage 1 testing, pump gas
Run 2: DCT M4, K&N dropin filters, downpipes - Same boost/timing/fuel profile as the 6MT car, pump gas
Run 10 (very hot in the dyno room with air pollution

): DCT M4, K&N dropin filters, downpipes - Some tweaks to midrange boost, touchups on timing over previous Stage 1. We'll test these on the Stage 1 car as well next time out before it changes over with downpipes.

As an aside from making power, we noticed the issue that many seem to report with the car going into limp mode causing a Drivetrain Malfunction (red gauge in the dash) to happen which requires you to pull over and restart the car. This would happen only during part throttle acceleration.

We spent a couple days trying to resolve the issue and we're happy to report we've managed to resolve it on our test car. We'll be sending updates to other BETA DCT cars today and have it hopefully confirmed.

Before any comparisons with other flash tunes are posted like in the previous thread please do realize that we're not here to compete for dyno numbers with other options on the market. What we're providing with bootmod3 is a custom tuning and monitoring platform for the F series vehicles that'll come with some base maps such as what you see here and in the previous thread. Those maps can be used without any modification by end users, or, taken to a dyno to further custom calibrate to your individual setup.

Any questions at all let us know.

Jaymax85 · 08-26-2016, 10:34 AM

Please Give Us Some Info On A Release Date!

dmk08 · 08-26-2016, 11:01 AM

Great work guys! Also great comments on the platform being more than just a tune. I can't wait!

Acree · 08-26-2016, 11:02 AM

Are you guys doing any R&D for a TCU tune? Or at least increasing clamping force?

Acree · 08-26-2016, 11:03 AM

And what PSI are these cars running at?

dmk08 · 08-26-2016, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree

And what PSI are these cars running at?

According to this post should be around 21 as he said it's the same stage 1 file.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=43

Acree · 08-26-2016, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmk08

According to this post should be around 21 as he said it's the same stage 1 file.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=43

I'll sound like a noob for not knowing this, but what is stock?

dmk08 · 08-26-2016, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree

I'll sound like a noob for not knowing this, but what is stock?

I guess it really depends as the ECU changes values based on your conditions. In Atlanta @ 1000ft over sea level and muggy hot conditions the ZCPs are hitting around 20psi in JB4 logs and 26 with map2.

chewbakam4 · 08-26-2016, 11:34 AM

Great feedback guys! I was waiting to see this data. I like that response advantage and midrange downpipes provide over stock. I'm sure with more flow in the top end from maybe Stage 2 turbos it would show considerably more even though your dyno graph didn't capture it this time around.

GoodtoGo · 08-26-2016, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree

I'll sound like a noob for not knowing this, but what is stock?

Stock vs. Same Run 31

Gabe@TAG · 08-26-2016, 11:50 AM

Oh my, oh my....

BMW M4 PWR · 08-26-2016, 11:50 AM

Sooo looking forward to your 'stage 2' tune on the 6-spd MT car with DP's added! A setup many would run

Acree · 08-26-2016, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodtoGo

Stock vs. Same Run 31

Lol great googly moogly.

chewbakam4 · 08-26-2016, 01:39 PM

I'm pretty sure I'm slapping Stage 2s on at this point. Get those puppies flowin'

FC4 · 08-26-2016, 03:35 PM

Great work, guys. This looks very promising.

From a custom tuning standpoint, what does the platform's interface look like? Example, say I want to create a map with a different boost curve...can you share images of the UI?

Not to veer off topic and get too deep into the weeds, but how granular can you get with specific settings? With the trivial shit like overrun..is it possible to set it to as little as half a second? What other parameters outside of the engine does this allow access to?

chewbakam4 · 08-26-2016, 04:43 PM

Holy shit! In all the discussion text I missed you guys hit 550 torque at the wheels on pump gas?!?!?! WTFFFF ridiculous!!! Email sent!

F80R · 08-26-2016, 05:30 PM

Lol and another prof that downpipes don't make shit .. But this tune is awsome .

proTUNING Freaks · 08-26-2016, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC4

Great work, guys. This looks very promising.

From a custom tuning standpoint, what does the platform's interface look like? Example, say I want to create a map with a different boost curve...can you share images of the UI?

Not to veer off topic and get too deep into the weeds, but how granular can you get with specific settings? With the trivial shit like overrun..is it possible to set it to as little as half a second? What other parameters outside of the engine does this allow access to?

More to follow on that soon but basically anything we see worth touching we'll expose and allow the end user to tweak. You'll be able to work with a tuner and they can make you a map to load with bootmod3 on the car or you do it yourself with TunerPro with tables we can provide. Table definitions and features will expand as we learn more about the platform which happens fairly regularly

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmk08

Great work guys! Also great comments on the platform being more than just a tune. I can't wait!

Thank you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree

Are you guys doing any R&D for a TCU tune? Or at least increasing clamping force?

We're looking at the GTS stuff BMW did and going from there but the focus right now is on the DME (engine computer). We'll try to hook TCU flashing right into bootmod3 so you can flash the TCU with a calibration of your choice, most likely starting with factory GTS software right from the app.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmk08

According to this post should be around 21 as he said it's the same stage 1 file.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=43

a little higher down low pre-throttle but you're spot on boost wise in the intake manifold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree

I'll sound like a noob for not knowing this, but what is stock?

Depending on gear and ambients boost varies. In 4th gear for instance on non-ZCP cars you'll see about 15psi to redline. 5th gear you'll see the same bottom end boost and torque but they raise boost towards redline to about 18psi or so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe@TAG

Oh my, oh my....

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW M4 PWR

Sooo looking forward to your 'stage 2' tune on the 6-spd MT car with DP's added! A setup many would run

Quote:

Originally Posted by chewbakam4

I'm pretty sure I'm slapping Stage 2s on at this point. Get those puppies flowin'

Quote:

Originally Posted by chewbakam4

Holy shit! In all the discussion text I missed you guys hit 550 torque at the wheels on pump gas?!?!?! WTFFFF ridiculous!!! Email sent!

farbmw · 08-26-2016, 07:24 PM

I always knew the 6spd manual was better then the DCT!!! JK

Excellent work on making this platform better then it is!

Justin.AutoTalent · 08-26-2016, 07:58 PM

Awesome

Sent you guys an email!

proTUNING Freaks · 08-26-2016, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farbmw

I always knew the ^spd manual was better then the DCT!!! JK

Excellent work on making this platform better then it is!

LOL don't start!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin | AutoTalent

Awesome

Sent you guys an email!

Emailed back, thank you.

EBM4 · 08-27-2016, 01:05 AM

Great work guys, does this mean we are closer to Beta 2 ?

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