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      04-19-2014, 08:09 AM   #89
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honestly.....frozen makes no sense at all. the maintenance required, the care necessary not to scratch/chip or rub the paint too hard is absolutely ridiculous. Wrap the car if you want that matte finish, but then again matte is done as a trend.
It makes no sense for you!
Have you seen a frozen paint next to a wrapped car? There is no comparison in their finishing
Have you owned a frozen painted car so you can say that the maintenance required is ridiculous?? FYI it is actually easier to maintain than a gloss paint, my previous M3 was a jerez black and it was much more difficult to keep it clean than my current frozen black
As another member said, if you don't like the frozen finishing just don't buy it but don't talk trash about this matte finishing without knowing the real facts
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: Honestly, the rear end looks like an overweight fat toad ... It seems BMW slapped the E93 M3 roof on top of this wider M4 body, causing it to look way disproportionate and out-of-place ... IMHO, the E93 M3's a$$ looks much cleaner and flows better overall ... Just my opinion here ...
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Such a shame what's happened to this car co. I guess the E92 M3 was the peak.

Seeing a 435 in person speaks more than enhanced pics. It's actually ugly.
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And not just because I've had an E93 335 and now E93 M3
I own an E92 335 and wish even harder that I had bought an M3 instead. Forgetting about the price one would have thought this car would be even better than its predecessor. It's truly unattractive. BMW coupes are supposed to be wait listed the first year they come out. It wasn't the case with the F.
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Such a shame what's happened to this car co. I guess the E92 M3 was the peak.

Seeing a 435 in person speaks more than enhanced pics. It's actually ugly.
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honestly.....frozen makes no sense at all. the maintenance required, the care necessary not to scratch/chip or rub the paint too hard is absolutely ridiculous. Wrap the car if you want that matte finish, but then again matte is done as a trend.
It makes no sense for you!
Have you seen a frozen paint next to a wrapped car? There is no comparison in their finishing
Have you owned a frozen painted car so you can say that the maintenance required is ridiculous?? FYI it is actually easier to maintain than a gloss paint, my previous M3 was a jerez black and it was much more difficult to keep it clean than my current frozen black
As another member said, if you don't like the frozen finishing just don't buy it but don't talk trash about this matte finishing without knowing the real facts
ok sure.....matte is still done any way you cut it
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......My dad has a POS 79 Camaro drag car (hey, for $3000 total investment it's fun for him, I don't see the appeal of drag racing but what the hell). That shit box is primer. I asked my father if he was going to paint it he replied "hell no! Why would I want to show off how shitty the body on that bucket of bolts is?!" ... My Dad is a character

For a BMW, take my Dad's point... "frozen" paint hides the lines. I imagine the designers cringe that their beautiful lines are hidden by paint that doesn't catch light in the traditional way.......
first off, Frozen paint isn't anything like primer. it has a satin finish, that's not matte like a primer body.

i love gloss paint jobs and frozen paint jobs.....they both have their positive effects on a body like the E9X M3. but, the one thing a Frozen paint job doesn't do is hide the lines of a car's design.

if anything Frozen accentuates the muscular angles of car body like the E9X M3...something gloss jobs overshadow at times. the M3 has been said to be a stealth super car at times....it's design doesn't scream sports car like a Viper or something. a Frozen paint job brings out those subtle features we all love.

take a look at my car....a please tell me you can't see all the awesome lines and sculpted angles of the M3...





hey, the a Frozen paint job is not for everybody. no biggie.opinions are one thing....but let's stop disparaging something with false rumors about it's care or inaccurate accounts about it's appearance. if you don't like it, just say that. no need for inaccuracies.

the type of comments a frozen paint job generates here , you'd think it was the now standard color of what your next BMW would be. like they stopped manufacturing gloss jobs at all.

it's not. don't like it? don't get it.

move on.
lol you can see the awesome sculpted lines just as good as gloss paint. then again I would defend frozen nonsense if I paid 70-83k for a frozen m3 too.
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ok sure.....matte is still done any way you cut it
You didn't answer any of my questions:
Have you ever seen a wrapped car next to frozen color BMW?
Have you ever own a frozen color car so you can state its maintenance is ridiculous?
Wait, oh I see why, you don't even own a M3, individual colors are only available for M cars, no wonder why you don't have any idea about frozen colors....
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ok sure.....matte is still done any way you cut it
You didn't answer any of my questions:
Have you ever seen a wrapped car next to frozen color BMW?
Have you ever own a frozen color car so you can state its maintenance is ridiculous?
Wait, oh I see why, you don't even own a M3, individual colors are only available for M cars, no wonder why you don't have any idea about frozen colors....
dude, its a lame ass frozen m3 not a lambo or Ferrari come down off your horse. I test drove a frozen blue m3 at Hudson valley bmw did not buy it bc dct is a sin, hell even the salesman said the paint was a pain in the ass! seen plenty of matte wrapped cars, believe it or not plastidipped cars look better than the matte wrapped ones. Ive owned many m cars (e36, e46, e39 m5 also. ...and 2 msport 335s) I know my shit man so grow up

again.....the matte theme is done. let it go.
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dude, its a lame ass frozen m3 not a lambo or Ferrari come down off your horse. I test drove a frozen blue m3 at Hudson valley bmw did not buy it bc dct is a sin, hell even the salesman said the paint was a pain in the ass! seen plenty of matte wrapped cars, believe it or not plastidipped cars look better than the matte wrapped ones. Ive owned many m cars (e36, e46, e39 m5 also. ...and 2 msport 335s) I know my shit man so grow up

again.....the matte theme is done. let it go.
Wow I am impressed by your knowledge of paints, plastidip is a crap, I did that on a truck and it looked terrible, had to remove it right away!
Hard to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't know the difference between a paint and a wrap!
I bet you think your 335i is better than an M3, right?
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dude, its a lame ass frozen m3 not a lambo or Ferrari come down off your horse. I test drove a frozen blue m3 at Hudson valley bmw did not buy it bc dct is a sin, hell even the salesman said the paint was a pain in the ass! seen plenty of matte wrapped cars, believe it or not plastidipped cars look better than the matte wrapped ones. Ive owned many m cars (e36, e46, e39 m5 also. ...and 2 msport 335s) I know my shit man so grow up

again.....the matte theme is done. let it go.
Wow I am impressed by your knowledge of paints, plastidip is a crap, I did that on a truck and it looked terrible, had to remove it right away!
Hard to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't know the difference between a paint and a wrap!
I bet you think your 335i is better than an M3, right?
if you did plastidip and it came out terrible, you did not apply it correctly. plain and simple, ive seen amazing pearled and prismatic plastidips that were sprayed on and its the future of coatings if you ask me. im not one of those retards that puts 335s vs m3's, they are two totally different cars to me. I've owned the essential M's, I loved them all, my current 335 lci msport is just my flavor for this year.

what this thread is about and what everybody on here is saying is that frozen/matte is overplayed man. chips scratches, resprays etc....there are no benefits to this type of finish.
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if you think a wrapped car looks just like a frozen painted car you haven't seen one in person, two different worlds my friend! a wrap surface will never give you the finishing of a matte paint, IMO wrapped cars look cheap....
Maintenance of frozen paints is actually easier than regular paints if you use the correct products, I have owned both.
I have seen wrapped car in person and it looks great u cant even tell a difference untill you come up close and start looking to see if its a wrap my cousin has his cayenne wrapped in matte white and looks very good
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I have seen wrapped car in person and it looks great u cant even tell a difference untill you come up close and start looking to see if its a wrap my cousin has his cayenne wrapped in matte white and looks very good
Sorry to tell you this, but there is no way a Cayanne looks good.
Before you try to shred me to peaces, know that Vettes did that already, and that this being a matter of taste, I will part with my disclaimer.

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: Honestly, the rear end looks like an overweight fat toad ... It seems BMW slapped the E93 M3 roof on top of this wider M4 body, causing it to look way disproportionate and out-of-place ... IMHO, the E93 M3's a$$ looks much cleaner and flows better overall ... Just my opinion here ...
Agreed.
The roof does not fit to the rest of the body.
But the this is something that disliked since the first day I saw a picture of an uncovered E93.
Given that both run about 14 years, that's waiting for a better looking roof for a very long time.

As for the frozen color: I only saw cars in real world with frozen paints five or six times, so I still like it.
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if you did plastidip and it came out terrible, you did not apply it correctly. plain and simple, ive seen amazing pearled and prismatic plastidips that were sprayed on and its the future of coatings if you ask me. im not one of those retards that puts 335s vs m3's, they are two totally different cars to me. I've owned the essential M's, I loved them all, my current 335 lci msport is just my flavor for this year.

what this thread is about and what everybody on here is saying is that frozen/matte is overplayed man. chips scratches, resprays etc....there are no benefits to this type of finish.
I did the plastidip on my truck with an authorized plastidip shop, the job was well done but the texture of the cheap finishing is what I didnt like. Anyways we have 2 different points of view about the frozen finishing and that is ok, it is not for everybody.
BTW you have my respect, I thought you were one of those guys that brags about the 335s
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if you did plastidip and it came out terrible, you did not apply it correctly. plain and simple, ive seen amazing pearled and prismatic plastidips that were sprayed on and its the future of coatings if you ask me. im not one of those retards that puts 335s vs m3's, they are two totally different cars to me. I've owned the essential M's, I loved them all, my current 335 lci msport is just my flavor for this year.

what this thread is about and what everybody on here is saying is that frozen/matte is overplayed man. chips scratches, resprays etc....there are no benefits to this type of finish.
I did the plastidip on my truck with an authorized plastidip shop, the job was well done but the texture of the cheap finishing is what I didnt like. Anyways we have 2 different points of view about the frozen finishing and that is ok, it is not for everybody.
BTW you have my respect, I thought you were one of those guys that brags about the 335s
lol alright we can agree on that! I do love the e9x M and do think the f80 is terrible. I will most likely pick up a 12-13 e92m next year....yeah no stupid forum 335-m3 comparisons here, unlike 90% of the children on here that just graduated college to a decent job and bought the first bmw they saw with a turbo on it.....im a few years past that.
here's the thing, 10 years from now if you go to a bmwcca track day or something like that, you will not see enthusiasts driving 335s, 135s, or most likely anything FI, but you can bet your ass you will see every year of NA 3's bmw had to offer. sad but true. e9x M is bmw in its purest form.
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lol alright we can agree on that! I do love the e9x M and do think the f80 is terrible. I will most likely pick up a 12-13 e92m next year....yeah no stupid forum 335-m3 comparisons here, unlike 90% of the children on here that just graduated college to a decent job and bought the first bmw they saw with a turbo on it.....im a few years past that.
here's the thing, 10 years from now if you go to a bmwcca track day or something like that, you will not see enthusiasts driving 335s, 135s, or most likely anything FI, but you can bet your ass you will see every year of NA 3's bmw had to offer. sad but true. e9x M is bmw in its purest form.
Finally after 2 days of posting we can agree on something...lol
It is as you just said, the NA S65 engine is superb, add a super charger kit and it is even more amazing
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lol alright we can agree on that! I do love the e9x M and do think the f80 is terrible. I will most likely pick up a 12-13 e92m next year....yeah no stupid forum 335-m3 comparisons here, unlike 90% of the children on here that just graduated college to a decent job and bought the first bmw they saw with a turbo on it.....im a few years past that.
here's the thing, 10 years from now if you go to a bmwcca track day or something like that, you will not see enthusiasts driving 335s, 135s, or most likely anything FI, but you can bet your ass you will see every year of NA 3's bmw had to offer. sad but true. e9x M is bmw in its purest form.
Finally after 2 days of posting we can agree on something...lol
It is as you just said, the NA S65 engine is superb, add a super charger kit and it is even more amazing
Yeah that's what I hear! Had a deposit on a 11 e92 JB m3 19k miles, had a courtesy inspection done and service check....lots of issues, new tranny at 5k miles, dropped a valve and the SA at the dealer said he thought the car used to have an ESS blower kit on it. Lots of bolts looked wrenched on, wires were out of place, just didn't look right. Backed out then found my 11 e92 335 msport with 9500 miles on it, cpo alpine white over coral 6mt loaded. Price was right and absolutely could not pass it up. Flew to BMW Ohio and drove it back! Lol. Next is going to be a 1M or e92/90 M
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I'm no photography expert but it looks like it could've been shot too wide angle giving it distortion:

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