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09-25-2013, 06:38 PM | #133 |
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I assume all you weight obsessed people are yourselves ultra-trim, lean and fit and running ultra-low BMI's in order to minimise the extra weight your M3/4 will have to carry aorund?
Lightweight seat or a few less Big Macs? Carbon Brakes or go easy on the ribs? Decisions, decisions. |
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In all seriousness, the fact that they hit the weight target +/- a few kg is impressive. Everything that I have seen and read is making me very excited for the new M3/M4. After the initial introduction bugs are worked out I will be taking a very close look at the f80/f82 in a couple of years. Probably wait until the LCI. Knowing BMW they will pack the m3/m4 w/ halogens, and then switch to LEDs after the LCI.
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09-25-2013, 10:40 PM | #139 | |
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Nope, 44 lb for the E92 M3, probably less difference in the new car.
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09-26-2013, 07:26 AM | #141 | |
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We all knew this lack of differentiation was coming especially seeing as the motor is N55 dervied and thus not a bespoke engine as weve all come to know. The car is def going to be good, but there are certainly some areas I want to see first hand (EPS, turbo lag, etc). |
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09-26-2013, 09:10 AM | #142 |
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Oh you want your 19's, your power seats, and your automatic transmission WITHOUT any extra weight? Oh, ok, let me engineer that for you...
Are you people seriously driving your m3/m4 with NOTHING extra in it? No jumper cables, no extra quarts of oil, no emegency kits or first aid kits? The fact is that the m3 went back a solid 12 years in terms of weight. That is AWESOME. This is the first time BMW has really taken a big step back in terms of weight in....ever? However, if you are that concerned with 10-50 pounds then you should really be ordering stripper models and then taking out the toolkit, maybe the rear seat, and anything else for your driving adventure. Yeesh. I'm all about weight reduction but the agonization over 25 pound differences here is staggering. |
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Has there been any update on the issue of the BMW M3/M4 and the use of Active Sound? I'd rather have a sound, while somewhat reserved, that is true to form than an artificial sound. It's just not the same when you know it's fake.
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Will post something tomorrow. Just waiting for confirmation on one last detail.
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You guys are so worried about active sound... Coming from an M5 owner, it is totally inconsequential. I don't notice it, if anything heck I'd turn it up! Turbo cars are quiet! And if you do downpipes, the active sound will be overwhelmed anyways.
In addition with the exhaust valves, you'll be able to put in an aftermarket switch that can control the characteristics of the flap so that they stay open all the time and not just open at 3500rpms under load. That made a small but noticeable sound boost on my F10 M5.
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09-26-2013, 04:38 PM | #148 | |
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I'm glad you are enjoying your M5. Thanks again to Jason for the update above. |
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09-26-2013, 04:40 PM | #150 | |
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Now being outside the car when someone was WOT sounded really pleasant but being inside it was pretty quiet. |
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09-26-2013, 04:58 PM | #151 | |
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I wonder what fuel tank size the M4 has? 4 series has a reduced tank size of 57 litres down from e92's 63. That's a sneaky, but 'official' 11.5 lb saving right there in fuel alone, not to mention tank material |
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09-28-2013, 03:13 PM | #152 |
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Keeping the weight down is the best thing they could have done. Improved gas mileage is another positive.
I am not digging the whole idea of EPS steering despite the ZF redesign. What is funny is that now the BMW M division comes out and says that the regular EPS steering in 3/4 series is unacceptable for a more performance oriented car like M3/M4. To all the defenders of EPS that claimed there is nothing wrong with it in regular 3 series/4 series car. How about it now when BMW M division does not have faith in the same setup for M3/M4........so stop defending your purchase with purchase blinders The overall power seems to be a bit of a let down in my honest opinion. Almost everyone was hoping that it was 450hp/450lb-ft of torque. So you get less hp and less torque then most were hoping for. Some even suggested that 444hp/444 lb-ft of torque to match the new M4 designation. A bit of disappointment to say the least also when you look at the red line many suggested it will be high revving at 7800-8K rpm. Also, with 18 psi of boost most can get 400 plus hp and torque from a N54 tuned. So to see BMW achieve the same and not a lot more is not very impressive. The new C7 stingray out does BMW with more power and more torque 460/465. All for less money come on BMW. Also, BMW it is time to offer a 7-speed manual a 6-speed manual is old news. As far as the sound is concerned I am hoping that it sounds great in person. Now keep the base price low and option prices also low. No one wants to pay $75K for a decently equipped M3/M4.
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Despite what someone posted earlier (3298 lbs, probably from this early in the year prediction) the curb weight of the C7 Vette is 3444 lbs (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review). The M3/M4 will likely weigh less than the Vette. What does this mean for performance? The same as the Vette, maybe even faster? True. But it is probably worth it. Cheers.
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