MotorTrend Facebook SpeedBot - Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400 vs. M3 ZCP from 0-60s

SaMaster14 · 08-10-2017, 04:05 PM

Almost just LOLed in public

Didn't compare to any other cars, but it definitely got the M's 0-60 wrong by a good .4 seconds and was probably being hopeful for the Infiniti giving it a 0-60 of 4.5s.

Has anyone else used this bot?

JamesGames · 08-10-2017, 04:11 PM

Not sure if you're being serious or not, but does this bother you or something?

SaMaster14 · 08-10-2017, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesGames

Not sure if you're being serious or not, but does this bother you or something?

Yes, I'm livid that a Facebook bot is posting incorrect 0-60 times! Gonna sue Infiniti for false advertising!

...no, it's just funny. They're really pushing this new Red Sport, but it is a bit of false advertising. Just a fun little Facebook game.

Wharf Rat · 08-26-2017, 09:36 PM

Has anyone driven a Q60 Red Sport 400? Local dealer has one, so I might just try it this week.

Thescout13 · 08-27-2017, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

Has anyone driven a Q60 Red Sport 400? Local dealer has one, so I might just try it this week.

Yes. Completely underwhelming IMHO. But definitely worth a drive if nothing else to see what is out there.

evanescent03 · 08-27-2017, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SaMaster14

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Originally Posted by JamesGames

Not sure if you're being serious or not, but does this bother you or something?

Yes, I'm livid that a Facebook bot is posting incorrect 0-60 times! Gonna sue Infiniti for false advertising!

...no, it's just funny. They're really pushing this new Red Sport, but it is a bit of false advertising. Just a fun little Facebook game.

Maybe they don't subtract time for rollout ... 4.3s isn't that far off... I think most people would have a tough time getting 4.0s flat in real life. As long as they're consistent though.... maybe this new Infiniti really is pretty close

Vectors2final · 08-27-2017, 12:40 AM

Apparently there's some talk of popped engines already.

I didn't dig too deep, though.

doberzus · 08-29-2017, 08:22 PM

M3/M4s are more than just 0-60 times. However, if you're talking real world power/acceleration, how about 5-60mph, 20-80mph, 40-100mph, etc.

I trapped 115MPH in a stock ZCP F80 at ~4500ft altitude using 91 octane at a terribly prepped 1/4 mile strip.... withOUT using LC. My stock Auto Hellcat trapped 119mph

Fast 0-60 times require LC, who actually engages LC during DD or on the street? Even in an AWD car.

Phatcat · 08-29-2017, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by evanescent03

Maybe they don't subtract time for rollout ... 4.3s isn't that far off... I think most people would have a tough time getting 4.0s flat in real life. As long as they're consistent though.... maybe this new Infiniti really is pretty close

It takes skill to launch a car properly. Forget 4 seconds, most average driver will have trouble getting 5 seconds from a dead stop.

Sassicaia · 08-30-2017, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by doberzus

M3/M4s are more than just 0-60 times. However, if you're talking real world power/acceleration, how about 5-60mph, 20-80mph, 40-100mph, etc.

I trapped 115MPH in a stock ZCP F80 at ~4500ft altitude using 91 octane at a terribly prepped 1/4 mile strip.... withOUT using LC. My stock Auto Hellcat trapped 119mph

Fast 0-60 times require LC, who actually engages LC during DD or on the street? Even in an AWD car.

No one of course. LC is without question the most useless function ever put on a car IMO.

dmk08 · 08-30-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by evanescent03

Maybe they don't subtract time for rollout ... 4.3s isn't that far off... I think most people would have a tough time getting 4.0s flat in real life. As long as they're consistent though.... maybe this new Infiniti really is pretty close

Maybe they are basing it off the manual time not DCT.

gmd2003 · 08-30-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassicaia

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Originally Posted by doberzus

M3/M4s are more than just 0-60 times. However, if you're talking real world power/acceleration, how about 5-60mph, 20-80mph, 40-100mph, etc.

I trapped 115MPH in a stock ZCP F80 at ~4500ft altitude using 91 octane at a terribly prepped 1/4 mile strip.... withOUT using LC. My stock Auto Hellcat trapped 119mph

Fast 0-60 times require LC, who actually engages LC during DD or on the street? Even in an AWD car.

No one of course. LC is without question the most useless function ever put on a car IMO.

Only in BMW's where it's 4 steps while standing on your head and it still doesn't work 9/10times lol . I currently have a car where it's hold the brake , floor it , release the brake gone . Easy fun and most importantly effective. When an auto maker actually makes it to launch a car and not burn out mode you use it !

doberzus · 08-30-2017, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Only in BMW's where it's 4 steps while standing on your head and it still doesn't work 9/10times lol . I currently have a car where it's hold the brake , floor it , release the brake gone . Easy fun and most importantly effective. When an auto maker actually makes it to launch a car and not burn out mode you use it !

I can engage mine with no issues. I do it all the time on the strip, back to back. It takes only a few seconds. Turn off TC and mash both the brake and accelerator?! Never had any issues, so not sure what you're referring to...and it WORKS. Things a rocket.

I also had a Hellcat which had a "LAUNCH' button. Still wouldn't launch it on the street. Have a Focus RS with LC, still no need to engage LC on the street.

gmd2003 · 08-31-2017, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by doberzus

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Originally Posted by gmd2003

Only in BMW's where it's 4 steps while standing on your head and it still doesn't work 9/10times lol . I currently have a car where it's hold the brake , floor it , release the brake gone . Easy fun and most importantly effective. When an auto maker actually makes it to launch a car and not burn out mode you use it !

I can engage mine with no issues. I do it all the time on the strip, back to back. It takes only a few seconds. Turn off TC and mash both the brake and accelerator?! Never had any issues, so not sure what you're referring to...and it WORKS. Things a rocket.

I also had a Hellcat which had a "LAUNCH' button. Still wouldn't launch it on the street. Have a Focus RS with LC, still no need to engage LC on the street.

By work I mean not spin the tires on a non prepped surface . I have a .2 Turbo S , so I don't use it often but it's fun to do a 2.3 second launch on an empty road every now and then , no buttons or levers needed just have to floor it . My M3 and then my M6 would just laugh at traction even at the strip with LC on street tires .

doberzus · 08-31-2017, 09:11 PM

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By work I mean not spin the tires on a non prepped surface . I have a .2 Turbo S , so I don't use it often but it's fun to do a 2.3 second launch on an empty road every now and then , no buttons or levers needed just have to floor it . My M3 and then my M6 would just laugh at traction even at the strip with LC on street tires .

My P100D coming in will easily do 2.2s. I just wouldn't use LC/brake torque on the street/stoplights. AWD/auto's don't require much to launch hard, that's why they are fun.

On dry, summer days the F80 launches with zero wheel spin using LC at 3k rpm. 1.7 60ft's at the strip. I've also tried it on some backroads, zero spin with LC at 3k. Sport+/Comfort/Comfort. Most owners put everything in Sport+ and wonder why they spin.

Really impressed with this Comp Pack. My 2016 non-ZCP with the 6 speed would spin above a 2k launch.

chris719 · 09-08-2017, 02:05 AM

Tesla's won't spin because they have an amazing closed-loop traction control algorithm. You put your foot to the floor and it just goes as fast as it can without wheelspin, no nonsense.

The launch control and TC in ICE cars is a cruel joke in comparison for the most part. BMW's launch control is basically open-loop too, not too great. I often wonder the reason. I know you may not be able to modulate the engine output as fast as an electric motor but it still seems like there is a lot of room for improvement.

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