BMW M4 vs Porsche 991.2 911 Carrera 4S drag race

[Super Spartan]

[Motorsportenterprise]

Manual vs DCT. Very different result if same transmission.

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Manual vs DCT. Very different result if same transmission.

I guess, do you think that if the Porsche had the PDK Transmission being roughly the same power as the M4 it would've won?

[nicknaz]

Wow. Didn't expect the 991.2 c4s to get walked like that

I just skimmed the vid. Did they do any pulls from a dig or was it all from a roll?

[Super Spartan]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Wow. Didn't expect the 991.2 c4s to get walked like that

I just skimmed the vid. Did they do any pulls from a dig or was it all from a roll?

First race was a rolling start, then they did a race pulling from first gear after that and the M4 still won. Once it shifted from 2nd to 3rd, it smoked the Porsche

Watch it again

[///M4ster Yoda]

That's where I go to do some fast pulls. Ocean Parkway Long Island. Not surprised that the M4 takes the Porsche. Even with the PDK the BMW would win.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Snappy Phoenix

I guess, do you think that if the Porsche had the PDK Transmission being roughly the same power as the M4 it would've won?

Yes. Porsche is still lighter and they put down power better.

The Carrera S hits 0-150 mph on 18.5 seconds, the M4 Competition does 0-150 in 21.9. 60-130 for the 911 is 9.8 seconds and the same for the M4 Zcp is 11 seconds. Both done by car and driver. No matter what the statistic, the M4 is far outgunned.
Just to add, even the Carrera 4S Cabrio does 0-150 in 19.0 seconds and 60-130 in 10.2 based on the C&D test.

If you've driven them, they're not much slower than the 991.1 base Turbo.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

That's where I go to do some fast pulls. Ocean Parkway Long Island. Not surprised that the M4 takes the Porsche. Even with the PDK the BMW would win.

No it wouldn't. It would get slaughtered. The fact that a 991.2S hits 150 mph over 3 seconds faster is and only increases the gap as it gets there is proof enough. Even a base 991.2 hits 130 my in the same time as the M4 competition.

Oddly cannot find any races of these two. When we do, you'll see the 911 pull away with ease.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

No it wouldn't. It would get slaughtered. The fact that a 991.2S hits 150 mph over 3 seconds faster is and only increases the gap as it gets there is proof enough. Even a base 991.2 hits 130 my in the same time as the M4 competition.

Oddly cannot find any races of these two. When we do, you'll see the 911 pull away with ease.

Can't find any races because the 991 smurfs are terrified of the Mighty Mighty M4.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Can't find any races because the 991 smurfs are terrified of the Mighty Mighty M4.

LOL likely the other way around...the 911 is in a different class. Even the m4 GTS can't match a 991.2S on or off track despite having a lot more power, tq, aero and a tire advantage wearing cups vs summers on the 911.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Manual vs DCT. Very different result if same transmission.

Agree. We can see the M4 gaining on the 911 with every upshift on the 911.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

LOL likely the other way around...the 911 is in a different class. Even the m4 GTS can't match a 991.2S on or off track despite having a lot more power, tq, aero and a tire advantage wearing cups vs summers on the 911.

You'd think that for the extra $50-60K the nerds have to cough up that they'd give them decent tires and a few more horses so they wouldn't get blown away by the M4. But I guess price is no object to badge whores.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

No it wouldn't. It would get slaughtered. The fact that a 991.2S hits 150 mph over 3 seconds faster is and only increases the gap as it gets there is proof enough. Even a base 991.2 hits 130 my in the same time as the M4 competition..

PDK makes that much of a difference that 991.2 C4S will go from a clear loss to a clear win due to switch from 7MT to PDK?

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

PDK makes that much of a difference that 991.2 C4S will go from a clear loss to a clear win due to switch from 7MT to PDK?

Yes think about how an M3/4 with a manual is much slower...and PDK is a better transmission than DCT.
A 991.2S with manual traps 3-4 mph less than one with PDK.

It's funny that people will tell you on this forum how much faster an M3/4 with DCT is over a manual but then when it comes to PDK which is easily the best dual clutch transmission on the market, all of a sudden the difference between manual and dual clutch is not relevant. It is very relevant no matter what the car.

The same guy from this video has another where he gets pulled by a base 991.2 with PDK which should tel you how significant the difference is given the base has is down 50 hp and 64 lb-ft.

[No Boost]

The M4 did gain a lot of ground with each shift from the 991S. That said, between shifts, those cars were pretty dead even. I'm amazed at that. I would've predicted a blood bath with the M4 doing all of the bleeding. The base 991.2 would be road kill.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

You'd think that for the extra $50-60K the nerds have to cough up that they'd give them decent tires and a few more horses so they wouldn't get blown away by the M4. But I guess price is no object to badge whores.

Not sure what your point is here. An M4 GTS at 140k has 500 hp, 440 lb-ft torque, cup tires and a lot of downforce yet gets embarrassed by a 100k 991.2S that has 420 ho, 365 lb-ft torque, plain summer tires and no aero. Here, it's simply driver error. Maybe we should flip it and race a 991.2S against a manual M3/4 and watch how badly that turns out for the M. No matter who it is, a manual driver will never be able to match any dual clutch, even one such as that of the bmw unit.

[BIGW0RM]

I have a 2017 comp m3 and 2017 991.2 911 C2S. The porsche murders the M3!

Both of mine are DCT/PDK.

[minn19]

I feel Nick is being nice in the video about the M4. He loved it so much that he sold it to get back into a car and company that drove him freaking nuts. A lot of times it is what isn't said and the actions that speak the loudest.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I have a 2017 comp m3 and 2017 991.2 911 C2S. The porsche murders the M3!

Both of mine are DCT/PDK.

Thank you...as that's exactly right. A 991.2S is faster in any imaginable scenario with the same transmission. The 991.2 base is as fast as an M4 Competition with 70 less hp too.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Yes think about how an M3/4 with a manual is much slower...and PDK is a better transmission than DCT.
A 991.2S with manual traps 3-4 mph less than one with PDK.

It's funny that people will tell you on this forum how much faster an M3/4 with DCT is over a manual but then when it comes to PDK which is easily the best dual clutch transmission on the market, all of a sudden the difference between manual and dual clutch is not relevant. It is very relevant no matter what the car.

The same guy from this video has another where he gets pulled by a base 991.2 with PDK which should tel you how significant the difference is given the base has is down 50 hp and 64 lb-ft.

Yea, I'm aware of the 3-4mph trap speed difference between DCT/PDK and MT. I guess that vid looked like more of a gap than that.

Can you post a link please to the base 991.2 PDK vs. M4 DCT run? I missed that one.

[hellrotm]

Title should read...DCT vs Manual(with a sh*t manual driver).

[damnitBobby]

Obviously the M4 won because of the DCT. If the Porsche had the PDK I'm sure it would have slowly walked the M4.

That being said, M4 definitely holds its own considering the price. And the M4 has much more personality on the road, whereas the Porsche looks like any other Porsche.

**flame suit on**