Trollfest

[Bemo]

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

Redeemed themselves with M2. The question is was it a one off or can they keep it going?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by m34m

Redeemed themselves with M2. The question is was it a one off or can they keep it going?

Wait what ?

The M2 is a great car. No dispute. But there is no " redemption " based on the items in the list.

The car got bigger than the prior gen- CHECK!
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs - CHECK!
Induction noise through the speakers -CHECK!
Ugly hood line - ???
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills - CHECK
Turbo motor - N/A ( 1M already turbo )
Electric steering - CHECK

All of the above are features with CHECK are features of the M2 and not the 1M.

Now then ...has the M2 been a great car despite these changes above ? Hell yes. Has the M4 been a great car despite these changes above ? For the most part , yes ? :

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

The car got bigger than the prior gen - you say that as if that doesn't happen with every model made by every manufacturer on the planet
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs - this generation is lighter than the previous.
Induction noise through the speakers - I have this turned off, but ok, you win with the sound
Ugly hood line - ?? Subjective
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills - subjective
Turbo motor - love the torque
Electric steering - ok

Edit: your subjective points should be addressed further. Most would agree that the very least, this generation is a pretty beautiful car. Say what you want, but appearance wise, it's pretty striking. Also, the appearance"flaws" you point out have nothing to do with M.

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

And unfortunately lighter and faster than the last version.

If the next M3/4 gets any lighter/faster, I'm definitely never buying another M.

[c63er]

Anyone talking about lighter and faster = better doesn't know the first thing about what makes a good drivers car and are the main reason we have gotten to this low point.

We would all be better off if they moved onto ford or Honda or anywhere else, where they can talk about who has the most retarded wrap on their car, who has more cf trim, who has more wings, what color their brake calipers are, who has "stance", who has a better quarter mile time or a myriad of other crap that have nothing to do with a drivers car.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

You 911 guys got shafted in so many ways with this generation 991.
The car got bigger.
Pretty heavy.
Turbo motor.
Electric steering.

[FirstF80InSpace]

Originally Posted by adc

You 911 guys got shafted in so many ways with this generation 991.
The car got bigger.
Pretty heavy.
Turbo motor.
Electric steering.

But PASM is now standard and no more IMS issues! :

[m34m]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Wait what ?

The M2 is a great car. No dispute. But there is no " redemption " based on the items in the list.

The car got bigger than the prior gen- CHECK!
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs - CHECK!
Induction noise through the speakers -CHECK!
Ugly hood line - ???
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills - CHECK
Turbo motor - N/A ( 1M already turbo )
Electric steering - CHECK

All of the above are features with CHECK are features of the M2 and not the 1M.

Now then ...has the M2 been a great car despite these changes above ? Hell yes. Has the M4 been a great car despite these changes above ? For the most part , yes ? :

I admire your attempt but I think it's flawed:

Bigger than prior gen: There was no prior M2

3500lbs: Weight is debatable argue all you like. 1565kg listed on BMW Canada site includes 75kg for driver and luggage. Therefore without its 1490kg or 3278lbs. I'm happy with that weight and anyone who's driven one knows it feels light on its feet unlike M4

Induction noise: yup but M2 sounds epic in and out. M4 doesn't.

Lights merged: no they are not on the M2. They don't touch the grill. Have a look this is obvious

Turbo motor: like you said 1M had one and in that spirit it's A OK

Electric steering: M2 has best system to date for a BMW

There are those that still wanna fight for the M3/4 and good for you and your loyalty. However those cars have universally received a luke warm response from the majority of enthusiasts, journalists and automotive community and it's for good reasons. Contrary to what you may think we aren't all idiots just giving our "opinion".

[jim996]

Originally Posted by m34m

I admire your attempt but I think it's flawed:

Bigger than prior gen: There was no prior M2

3500lbs: Weight is debatable argue all you like. 1565kg listed on BMW Canada site includes 75kg for driver and luggage. Therefore without its 1490kg or 3278lbs. I'm happy with that weight and anyone who's driven one knows it feels light on its feet unlike M4

Induction noise: yup but M2 sounds epic in and out. M4 doesn't.

Lights merged: no they are not on the M2. They don't touch the grill. Have a look this is obvious

Turbo motor: like you said 1M had one and in that spirit it's A OK

Electric steering: M2 has best system to date for a BMW

There are those that still wanna fight for the M3/4 and good for you and your loyalty. However those cars have universally received a Luke warm response from the majority of enthusiasts and it's for a reason. And contrary to what you may think we aren't all idiots just giving our "opinion".

Ha ha ha....the M4 still stomps all over the m2. Ive driven both and the M2 is Half the car

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by adc

You 911 guys got shafted in so many ways with this generation 991.
The car got bigger.
Pretty heavy.
Turbo motor.
Electric steering.

Yes it's my first but seems bigger than the 997!
Heavier? Perhaps. But quite a bit lighter than an M and you can feel it.
Mine has the last gen 3.8L NA motor but yes the 991.2 went Turbo and it's awful based on what I like. Take the torque and shove it!
Yes electric steering, feels better than the F80 M but not as good as my 2011 328xi!

To be clear, I'm an equal opportunity offender to any technology that takes away driver engagement and emotional connection be it BMW, Porsche or others.

But hell if you can feel the difference between a steel or CFRP driveshaft!
Guys use it as some kind of a bragging point when so many more important M characteristics are no longer present in this car.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by jim996

Ha ha ha....the M4 still stomps all over the m2. Ive driven both and the M2 is Half the car

Well if YOU'VE driven both then it's all settled of course!!!! Great argument genius

[SEXY-BEAST]

Originally Posted by Bemo

You guys got shafted so many ways with this gen Ms.
The car got bigger than the prior gen
Pretty heavy at around 3500lbs
Induction noise through the speakers
Ugly hood line
Angular BS looking lights merged into the kidney grills
Turbo motor
Electric steering

And you sit here whining about losing a shaft.
BMW M Division lost its mojo.

Hmmm... bigger, heavier (you do know that this gen M is lighter than previous)? Sounds like the new 991. How about those BS 4-dot running lights in the new Porsches? You do realize Porsche went to turbo motors as well right? Speaking of sound and "fake noise"-- ever heard about the Porsche invention called "Sound Symposer" fitted to all new 991s and the Panamera GTS?" Look it up. M cars may not be perfect, but so is hardly Porsche... get some self awareness bruh. I will agree to some extent on the electric steering; but it's not a deal breaker. As for "ugly hood line"-- subjective. I think the F8x is one of the best looking M cars produced next to the E46.

The truth is, many "enthusiast cars" are slowly giving way to make them more "liveable" and cost effective.

On another note, I fell in love with BMW and M cars when I saw my first E30 to having a poster of Hans-Joachin Stuck airborne in his CSL on the Nurburgring hanging on my wall; it's the car I aspired to own. While I have stayed loyal to BMW for decades, I too feel that the company has slowly lost its way. The "M" for Motorsport is being diminished for letters like "i". I understand the need to be a profitable and well-rounded business. But when was the last time BMW has won a major motorsport event? It got out of F1.They are not doing so great even in DTM. To me, any enthusiast brand needs to be heavily involved and focused with racing-- Mercedes, Audi and Porsche own the major motorsport events. I just came back from a visit to the Welt; went on the factory tour and the museum. I'm still a BMW believer; but it's gonna be hard.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by m34m

Well if YOU'VE driven both then it's all settled of course!!!! Great argument genius

I've driven the M2 in anger at a BMW sponsored event, own X5M, and M3.

Automags have both over exaggerated the M2 and the X5M. Neither are as good as they say they are.

This M3 on the other hand is the best M3 I have ever had, and this is the 3rd generation of M3 I have owned, E36, E46, F80.

Drive them yourself and form your own opinion.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by SEXY-BEAST

Hmmm... bigger, heavier (you do know that this gen M is lighter than previous)? Sounds like the new 991. How about those BS 4-dot running lights in the new Porsches? You do realize Porsche went to turbo motors as well right? Speaking of sound and "fake noise"-- ever heard about the Porsche invention called "Sound Symposer" fitted to all new 991s and the Panamera GTS?" Look it up.

Good point, few people know Porsche does this too. Although M division has decided to record the engine at different rpms and play them through the speakers.

FI engines are much more quiet vs their older, much larger NA versions. One reason enhanced engine noises are pumped into the cabin is to convey the RPM levels to the driver shifting manually. Many of us that shift manually use engine noise to help us know our cars shift points without looking down at the IC or even the HUD.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I've driven the M2 in anger at a BMW sponsored event, own X5M, and M3.

Automags have both over exaggerated the M2 and the X5M. Neither are as good as they say they are.

This M3 on the other hand is the best M3 I have ever had, and this is the 3rd generation of M3 I have owned, E36, E46, F80.

Drive them yourself and form your own opinion.

Your opinion does not change the well established fact that the F80/2 hasn't been well received by the majority. Face it the jury is in and it's not good. Glad you like it though.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by m34m

Your opinion does not change the well established fact that the F80/2 hasn't been well received by the majority. Face it the jury is in and it's not good. Glad you like it though.

These posts are always a bit odd, the F80 is great car.

Why do people that have owned 4-5 different M cars throughout the years and therefore have a good reference point for the F80, (people like me) think that it's a good car? Why haven't we bought something else? Why do people on here keep buying another one?

Not well received by the majority? Majority of what? Owners? Wannabes? e90 drivers? Internet trolls? Journalists? (as for the latter, for every journo that doesn't like it or shall we say marked it down slightly, I'll show you one that loves it)

I've done 50,000 miles in mine in the last 18 months and it hasn't missed a beat it, does everything well and is a true dual character car, better than the e46 and e92 in every respect baring the sound of the S65 (but that goes for every modern mass produced car these days)

[dailym3]

I am truly amazed at why all the haters of the F8x are on the F8x forum? Do you people really have nothing better to do? You don't even own the car, yet waste your time, and more importantly our time, spouting your same old tired nonsense. To the joker that mentioned weight, look it up, the F8x is lighter than the E9x, and it also has more interior room. That's quite a technical feat that BMW pulled off by making a larger car lighter. Speaking of technical feats, power increased, and fuel economy did as well. Everyone noticed how the interior of the F8x was an improvement over the E9x also. Styling is of course subjective, but come on, I think nearly everyone thought the current model looked great when it launched, and it still does. Nothing dated about it at all. And you can still get a dual clutch or manual transmission. Now I get that people don't like to lose something they once had, and this cf driveshaft is very cool and none of us are happy about it going away. But to take this topic and turn it into another silly "everyone thinks the F8x sucks" rant is ridiculous.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by dailym3

I am truly amazed at why all the haters of the F8x are on the F8x forum? Do you people really have nothing better to do? You don't even own the car, yet waste your time, and more importantly our time, spouting your same old tired nonsense. To the joker that mentioned weight, look it up, the F8x is lighter than the E9x, and it also has more interior room. That's quite a technical feat that BMW pulled off by making a larger car lighter. Speaking of technical feats, power increased, and fuel economy did as well. Everyone noticed how the interior of the F8x was an improvement over the E9x also. Styling is of course subjective, but come on, I think nearly everyone thought the current model looked great when it launched, and it still does. Nothing dated about it at all. And you can still get a dual clutch or manual transmission. Now I get that people don't like to lose something they once had, and this cf driveshaft is very cool and none of us are happy about it going away. But to take this topic and turn it into another silly "everyone thinks the F8x sucks" rant is ridiculous.

Thank you. And now we can close the thread.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by Wills2

These posts are always a bit odd, the F80 is great car.

Why do people that have owned 4-5 different M cars throughout the years and therefore have a good reference point for the F80, (people like me) think that it's a good car? Why haven't we bought something else? Why do people on here keep buying another one?

Not well received by the majority? Majority of what? Owners? Wannabes? e90 drivers? Internet trolls? Journalists? (as for the latter, for every journo that doesn't like it or shall we say marked it down slightly, I'll show you one that loves it)

I've done 50,000 miles in mine in the last 18 months and it hasn't missed a beat it, does everything well and is a true dual character car, better than the e46 and e92 in every respect baring the sound of the S65 (but that goes for every modern mass produced car these days)

Haha trying to delegitimize everyone as being a "wannabe" or "troll" or idiot journalist that don't have the right "reference point" like you do is total crap man and you know it. Talk about denial. You may like this car but that thought is not universal so just accept it. Some cars are loved some aren't. The F80/2 isn't. Period. Better luck on the next one BMW.

[dinonz]

Originally Posted by m34m

Haha trying to delegitimize everyone as being a "wannabe" or "troll" or idiot journalist that don't have the right "reference point" like you do is total crap man and you know it. Talk about denial. You may like this car but that thought is not universal so just accept it. Some cars are loved some aren't. The F80/2 isn't. Period. Better luck on the next one BMW.

Saying the F80 isn't loved is just stupid. Monumentally stupid.

You're entitled to your opinion - but as they say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but nobody is interested in anyone else's.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by dinonz

Saying the F80 isn't loved is just stupid. Monumentally stupid.

You're entitled to your opinion - but as they say, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but nobody is interested in anyone else's.

You're clearly delusional and I don't intend to perpetuate a war of words with someone so biased and entrenched. The BMW F80/2 is not one of the worlds greatest and highly acclaimed cars, quite the contrary. Most know it, you don't.