Is P-car the only logical next step?

[Nachbar]

I'm going i8 route. This is a demo car I got for two weekends. Mine (also a demo car and real cheap) is coming in about two weeks.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

First of all, you have no idea what I can and can't afford. Whether I can or can't, Mclarens don't do it for me.

Never said Porsche was the best, but neither is Mclaren. I am friends with plenty of guys who have more money than they know what to do with and have a slew of cars but will tell you all day long the Porsche is the best car they own. It may be hard for you to fathom, but Porsche makes perennial home runs in their cars. Just wait until they do launch the GT2RS and the upcoming 400k 960 because both are going to shame anything in their path as they always do.

Something in your reaction tells me you can't afford a McLaren, and that's ok. Sometimes I have a hard time believing you own any car at all but maybe that's just me.

And do you realize the Trumpian layer of contradictory statements you make in the same paragraph?

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by adc

Something in your reaction tells me you can't afford a McLaren, and there is no shame in admitting that.

And do you realize the Trumpian layer of contradictory statements you make in the same paragraph?

Best is always subjective but they certainly are high on food chain and that's all that was meant to communicate.

[adc]

Originally Posted by quattr0

It seems like you're losing track of the original question. OP never asked if he should get a used M or used P car. I'm responding to your comment "Not worth it" when considering Pcar. That's all.

You also have no idea what you're talking about. Let me break it down for you.

1. Who on earth would want a out of warranty and dated transmission R8 (in referencing to my comment about mid/high equivanlent 80k's car as an upgrade)? A member here who owns both even stated that he would rather drive a M car than R8 for DD.

2. If you could get a 80Ks/still warranty 570GT or S, sign me up.

Good weekend man.

The next level up from an M3 price wise is not $80k, since my guess is that most M3's are in the $75-80k. Next level is probably $100k or more.

So I was actually talking about a new R8, not a used one. Starts at $164k so not a big stretch from a GT3, GTS or even loaded C2S. Why go Porsche at all for the next step?

It's basically a question of budget and garage.

For the next level I'd think a Corvette GS or Z06 would fit the bill. They have the performance but perhaps not the feel or practicality (ex. No front axle lift).

Maybe the next level up after that is a Porsche. Similar or better performance, exclusivity, build quality etc a finer experience.

Then there is the R8, McLaren and getting into silly territory Ferrari. All of the above, plus more.


But if money is no object, would you jump into a Ferrari straight up? There are many delights along the way... Maybe the M is occupying an ingrate position in the automotive hierarchy: superb choice for those who want a do-it-all car, but unexceptional by the higher standards of those who want more, and are prepared to split the requirements across a large garage.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by adc

I was under the impression the DB11 is more of a GT, for whatever these labels are worth. Do you track it?

One could. According to this, a DB11 beat an F80 driven by Pobst around Willow Springs.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

And beat an F80 on Motortrend Figure 8

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/motortrend-figure-8

And on the top Gear Track

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/top-gear-track

But it is a GT with a kick butt B&O stereo system

I have a half interest in a GT3 Cup and a Ferrari Challenge for the track so not really using street cars much anymore.

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by adc

The next level up from an M3 price wise is not $80k, since my guess is that most M3's are in the $75-80k. Next level is probably $100k or more.

So I was actually talking about a new R8, not a used one. Starts at $164k so not a big stretch from a GT3, GTS or even loaded C2S. Why go Porsche at all for the next step?

$164k is a huge jump, double the M4 price. C2 starts at 91k, C2S starts at 105k, GTS at 120k. For a p-car add 15-20k in options since they nickel and dime you to death.

For most people (myself included), the next step from the M4 (M3 for me) will be in the lower 100k range and work our way up from there as time progresses.

[Nikolas]

One thing for sure is Porsche, while expensive, age very well. For me, they have been extremely reliable. My 26 year old 964 has been relatively trouble free. I do baby it and over maintain it. The alternator finally gave out last week. Original paint still shines nicely.

I've had my 996tt for 8 years now, and it's had a couple issues....heater stuck on high, alternator, clutch accumulator, but overall fairly stable for a car I drive daily through Tahoe winters (last winter...600 inches +).

The new Porsches are amazing, but are considerably larger than the older 911's.

I only had one BMW...a 335xi. I leased it and found it well built, but not so much fun. I'm going to give the M4 a try with hopefully an ED lease next summer should the numbers improve. If not, I'll probably trade/sell the 996TT and purchase.

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

I was thinking about it today. The problem with P cars is that there is always some balding old dude with half a foot in the grave with zero driving skill driving them.

Now this is funny.......I'll just leave this for you while I go out and run a quick marathon

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Now this is funny.......I'll just leave this for you while I go out and run a quick marathon

But this right here is the norm. Hell I saw 3 geriatrics driving 911s today alone on the east end of Long Island

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

But this right here is the norm. Hell I saw 3 geriatrics driving 911s today alone on the east end of Long Island

This is so not the norm in my area. But hey, the old guy has great taste......Phil

[DaveCSparty]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

But this right here is the norm. Hell I saw 3 geriatrics driving 911s today alone on the east end of Long Island

What's the problem with old men being car guys?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by DaveCSparty

What's the problem with old men being car guys?

hard to fit in sport seats with the diaper on - good news is, on road trips, gas-n-go!

[JTO24]

I was the youngest attendant at the local Porsche driving event by at least 10 years (I'm 28).. much different demo than the local ///M car meets I've been to

However, a few of the younger Porsche guys at that drive event track their cars regularly.

[DaveCSparty]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I was the youngest attendant at the local Porsche driving event by at least 10 years (I'm 28).. much different demo than the local ///M car meets I've been to

However, a few of the younger Porsche guys at that drive event track their cars regularly.

I just hope that I still get to be into cars when I get older. We all (hopefully) get old one day.

The more expensive/exclusive the brand the older the clientele is. I can't wait to be able to get a Porsche 911 Turbo. That's my car goal.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by DaveCSparty

I just hope that I still get to be into cars when I get older. We all (hopefully) get old one day.

The more expensive/exclusive the brand the older the clientele is. I can't wait to be able to get a Porsche 911 Turbo. That's my car goal.

I 100% agree! It's hard enough getting into the Cayman after leg day lol I just hope I can still do it many, many years later.

[FirstF80InSpace]

My next logical step will probably be the 991.2. Not because it's the next tier up in terms of dollar value for a sports car, but because I've always loved 911's since I was a kid. I've gotten to a level career wise where can I can afford one. But now is not the time due to practicality. I have a young child so I need the 4-doors and trunk space. When he's out of the child seat, 911 will surely be on the radar.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JTO24

I 100% agree! It's hard enough getting into the Cayman after leg day lol I just hope I can still do it many, many years later.

That was one of the first things I noticed after going from the 981 --> F80 - I didn't have to "fall" in after a hard run or workout.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That was one of the first things I noticed after going from the 981 --> F80 - I didn't have to "fall" in after a hard run or workout.

Yup and I just have the standard sport seats! Would be worse with the Sport Plus seats or the LWBs of the GT4 but I do love it once I'm in

[REDEV217342]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That was one of the first things I noticed after going from the 981 --> F80 - I didn't have to "fall" in after a hard run or workout.

That sure is an accurate statement. My former F82 M4 was much easier to get in after a hard gym workout.

So you went from 981 to M3? I'm about to get back into an M4 after a year of owning the Boxster 981S. Love the 981S but I find myself not driving it as much as I thought I would. Without question the most fun car I've ever owned but probably the one I've driven the least. Getting golf clubs in trunk is getting to be a pain in the ass.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by REDEV217342

That sure is an accurate statement. My former F82 M4 was much easier to get in after a hard gym workout.

So you went from 981 to M3? I'm about to get back into an M4 after a year of owning the Boxster 981S. Love the 981S but I find myself not driving it as much as I thought I would. Without question the most fun car I've ever owned but probably the one I've driven the least. Getting golf clubs in trunk is getting to be a pain in the ass.

I sure did - 981 CS --> ZCP F80 for me.

The 981 was the best car I've ever owned. The experience is on a whole other level - the screaming F6, having a naturally aspirated engine, mid-engined handling...and the look of the thing. It was a wonderful machine.

The F80 is the best BMW I've ever owned - and that's not a knock on the F80, but it's got a much wider "range" of daily use, and I only have room and budget for one car. So the F80 is a good choice for now. It's just not as emotional as an experience as the 981 was. And the 981 would be perfect for a 3rd garage bay. Hopefully again someday.

[REDEV217342]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I sure did - 981 CS --> ZCP F80 for me.

The 981 was the best car I've ever owned. The experience is on a whole other level - the screaming F6, having a naturally aspirated engine, mid-engined handling...and the look of the thing. It was a wonderful machine.

The F80 is the best BMW I've ever owned - and that's not a knock on the F80, but it's got a much wider "range" of daily use, and I only have room and budget for one car. So the F80 is a good choice for now. It's just not as emotional as an experience as the 981 was. And the 981 would be perfect for a 3rd garage bay. Hopefully again someday.

Agree 100% on the sound. The sound of the flat 6 in my 981S is so much better than I ever dreamed it would be and ranks right up there with my former E92M3. How awesome it would be to have the sound of either of those in the F80/F82.

Will certainly miss the sound and amazing handling of the 981S but I am looking forward to getting back into a car with more utility and power. I really think the M3/M4 is the best sports/GT car out there that combines handling, utility, luxury, power and looks.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by REDEV217342

Agree 100% on the sound. The sound of the flat 6 in my 981S is so much better than I ever dreamed it would be and ranks right up there with my former E92M3. How awesome it would be to have the sound of either of those in the F80/F82.

Will certainly miss the sound and amazing handling of the 981S but I am looking forward to getting back into a car with more utility and power. I really think the M3/M4 is the best sports/GT car out there that combines handling, utility, luxury, power and looks.

The F6 at full throttle is one of the 8 wonders of the world. Or whatever number it is.