EDC F8x Guys - Stop Wasting Money

[JNoSol]

So you bought an M3/M4 with EDC. You quickly realized the car sits a bit too tall out of the factory. The more you look at it, the more you starting to hate your car. You start shopping for springs, since no coilovers are compatible with your convenient ride selector. You chose H&R, drove it for a few months to realize it sits way too low and it stops driving like an M. You then throw the H&R away, hoping the K&W HAS kit will be better. You install the HAS, corner balance it, then drive around again just to realize it's still a bit bouncy and the car upsets when you hit a bump. You're scratching you head again.

Why doesn't it ride like an M once you replace the springs? It has to do with shock valving. The stock shocks are designed for 185lb/in front and 575lb/in rear. Most after market springs are 25-75% stiffer, so the OEM shocks simply couldn't keep up.

My point is, stop wasting your money to make your M car drive worst. The only way to make an M car drives "better," is to have high-end coilovers with proper corner balancing. The solution for EDC F8x is almost here. (I hope to the U.S)

If you don't aggressively track your car, I personally believe Bilstein PSS10 has a much better stance compared to K&W V3. Our car's rear sits really low, the V3 min drop for the rear is 25mm (or 1inch = too low) compared to PSS10 dropping 5mm min. The front needs more help, V3 drops it min 25mm compared to PSS10 at 30mm. I would doubt you'll find one person on this planet who hates the PSS10 (I tried finding that person on "Google", no luck). Even Nissan chose Bilstein Damptronic for their flagship GTR.

Bilstein B16 PSS10 with Damptronic will be compatible with your EDC system (selecting soft/sport/sport+). I don't have the full details, but more info below.

http://www.performance-car-guide.co....coilovers.html

http://www.bilsteinus.com/products/e...in-damptronic/

P.S. I don't have EDC and I'm not a reseller for Bilstein. I've been hearing you EDC guys suffering (b*tching) and I thought I'd find a better solution. Cheers.

(first photo is a Damptronic coilover / second photo is standard PSS10 to give you an idea of what the full kit looks like)

[x.shell]

The PSS10 without the damptronic will give you 10 clicks of exterior adjustment. Quickly glancing over the damptronic info, it looks like you get 3 that you can change with a button. What would be better if it's 10 clicks but with 3 settings you can assign (not sure if that made any sense).

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by ex o

The PSS10 without the damptronic will give you 10 clicks of exterior adjustment. Quickly glancing over the damptronic info, it looks like you get 3 that you can change with a button. What would be better if it's 10 clicks but with 3 settings you can assign (not sure if that made any sense).

That's how I understand it as well. The EDC integration will have carefully pre-set clicks for normal, sport, and sport+. Non-EDC PSS10 is available now with 10-clicks.

The new GTR is equipped with the Bilstein Damptronic.

[x.shell]

Hmmm...

After reading that press release, I have more questions. At first read, it seems like the Damptronic works with the existing EDC. However, my suspicion is that Damptronic is it's own separate module that is not integrated into the existing BMW EDC module.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by ex o

Hmmm...

After reading that press release, I have more questions. At first read, it seems like the Damptronic works with the existing EDC. However, my suspicion is that Damptronic is it's own separate module that is not integrated into the existing BMW EDC module.

Nope. It states "EDC Integration" meaning no external buttons. There are 3 different electronic Bilstein B16 models:

• BILSTEIN B16 Ridecontrol - External wired-button that you can install
• BILSTEIN B16 iRC - Smart phone controlled
• BILSTEIN DampTronic - Integrates with factory EDC

[Hass516]

That's great news! Thanks for sharing.

[dmk08]

Just found my KW HAS replacement.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by Hass516

That's great news! Thanks for sharing.

NP. Now start bugging the re-sellers to get the first set. More demand = quicker release.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Just found my KW HAS replacement.

[theriz]

Thanks for posting OP. I think I found my stock suspension replacement. I'm not familiar with bilstein suspension, is this comparable to KWV1's? Just with EDC dampening? And any idea how much VAC is?

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by theriz

Thanks for posting OP. I think I found my stock suspension replacement. I'm not familiar with bilstein suspension, is this comparable to KWV1's? Just with EDC dampening? And any idea how much VAC is?

Bilstein B16 PSS10 (non-Damptronic) is comparable to K&W V3. If you don't have EDC, you can get the PSS10 today from AWE-Tuning, TAG Motorsport, and Turner (not sure who else on this forum carries it).

The B16 Damptronic is for EDC cars and should be less than $3k (estimate). I know the Damptronic setup for the 911s is less than $3k street price, M tax can't be higher than Porsche's.

What I can tell you is the guys who run PSS10 swears by it. It's the easiest suspension to make height adjustments, rides well, and very reliable. It's a tasteful drop for the F8x, it's too bad Bilstein isn't as popular in the U.S. K&W spends way more marketing dollars here I guess.

[haversham]

sucks for EDC owners who want height adjustment to have to throw away $1000 and spend another $3K just for the Damptronic kit.

[Mario_Kart]

Originally Posted by haversham

sucks for EDC owners who want height adjustment to have to throw away $1000 and spend another $3K just for the Damptronic kit.

I see this the complete opposite. Its more like paying an extra $1000 to have BMW prewire the car from the factory to be able to use these coilovers suspension that can adjust on the fly. With a press of a button, the car can go from a street setup to a track able setup. Definitely a great option to have.

[haversham]

Originally Posted by Mario_Kart

I see this the complete opposite. Its more like paying an extra $1000 to have BMW prewire the car from the factory to be able to use these coilovers suspension that can adjust on the fly. With a press of a button, the car can go from a street setup to a track able setup. Definitely a great option to have.

i like DIY so i'd prefer to do the wiring myself. just snaking wires - ain't nothing hard. i can do a lot with a $1000 bucks. it's also a waste to cast aside the OEM dampers. they're perfectly fine for the street.

i wonder if they will offer a Damptronic kit that will work with non-EDC cars? i know their older adjustable damping coilovers included a switch (it even worked with an app).

[x.shell]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Nope. It states "EDC Integration" meaning no external buttons. There are 3 different electronic Bilstein B16 models:

• BILSTEIN B16 Ridecontrol - External wired-button that you can install
• BILSTEIN B16 iRC - Smart phone controlled
• BILSTEIN DampTronic - Integrates with factory EDC

Good to know. This is great!

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Bilstein B16 PSS10 (non-Damptronic) is comparable to K&W V3. If you don't have EDC, you can get the PSS10 today from AWE-Tuning, TAG Motorsport, and Turner (not sure who else on this forum carries it).

The B16 Damptronic is for EDC cars and should be less than $3k (estimate). I know the Damptronic setup for the 911s is less than $3k street price, M tax can't be higher than Porsche's.

What I can tell you is the guys who run PSS10 swears by it. It's the easiest suspension to make height adjustments, rides well, and very reliable. It's a tasteful drop for the F8x, it's too bad Bilstein isn't as popular in the U.S. K&W spends way more marketing dollars here I guess.

From what I understand, the PSS10 is not comparable to the KW V3 as the V3 has independent adjustability for compression and rebound. The PSS10 adjust both with one knob.

That being said, the PSS10 I have right now is LIGHT YEARS better than the shoddy KW V2s I had.

[theriz]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Bilstein B16 PSS10 (non-Damptronic) is comparable to K&W V3. If you don't have EDC, you can get the PSS10 today from AWE-Tuning, TAG Motorsport, and Turner (not sure who else on this forum carries it).

The B16 Damptronic is for EDC cars and should be less than $3k (estimate). I know the Damptronic setup for the 911s is less than $3k street price, M tax can't be higher than Porsche's.

What I can tell you is the guys who run PSS10 swears by it. It's the easiest suspension to make height adjustments, rides well, and very reliable. It's a tasteful drop for the F8x, it's too bad Bilstein isn't as popular in the U.S. K&W spends way more marketing dollars here I guess.

Thanks for the info. I'll most likely be picking these up. I read on one of the links you provided and it stated a drop of 20mm - 40mm but I'm not sure if it's for the front and rear.

[Mario_Kart]

Originally Posted by haversham

i like DIY so i'd prefer to do the wiring myself. just snaking wires - ain't nothing hard. i can do a lot with a $1000 bucks. it's also a waste to cast aside the OEM dampers. they're perfectly fine for the street.

i wonder if they will offer a Damptronic kit that will work with non-EDC cars? i know their older adjustable damping coilovers included a switch (it even worked with an app).

I used to do that to my Honda, run wires all over the place and tap into the factory harness to install the VAFC and RSM from Apexi. But I prefer not to start running wires and adding switches on the M3. Want to keep the car as clean as possible. I ordered the adaptive suspension because I don't want that black switch there. An extra 1k on a 100k (here in Canada loaded) car is only 1%, not a big deal to me.

[haversham]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Nope. It states "EDC Integration" meaning no external buttons. There are 3 different electronic Bilstein B16 models:

• BILSTEIN B16 Ridecontrol - External wired-button that you can install
• BILSTEIN B16 iRC - Smart phone controlled
• BILSTEIN DampTronic - Integrates with factory EDC

i missed this post when i was browsing the first time.

so if i want electronic damping and height adjustment, i guess it'd be best to order my M4 w/o EDC and just order the B16 Ridecontrol or iRC? it won't be as cleanly integrated as with EDC, but i'll save $1000 bucks.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by theriz

Thanks for the info. I'll most likely be picking these up. I read on one of the links you provided and it stated a drop of 20mm - 40mm but I'm not sure if it's for the front and rear.

Front start drops at 30mm (1.2inch) and rear start drops at 5mm.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by haversham

i like DIY so i'd prefer to do the wiring myself. just snaking wires - ain't nothing hard. i can do a lot with a $1000 bucks. it's also a waste to cast aside the OEM dampers. they're perfectly fine for the street.

i wonder if they will offer a Damptronic kit that will work with non-EDC cars? i know their older adjustable damping coilovers included a switch (it even worked with an app).

That would be the B16 RideControl Line. Not announced yet for the F8x.
http://www.bilsteinus.com/products/e...n-ridecontrol/

Here's what the ride control knob looks like in an E90.

[theriz]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Front start drops at 30mm (1.2inch) and rear start drops at 5mm.

Ehh I think that's too low for me.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by haversham

i missed this post when i was browsing the first time.

so if i want electronic damping and height adjustment, i guess it'd be best to order my M4 w/o EDC and just order the B16 Ridecontrol or iRC? it won't be as cleanly integrated as with EDC, but i'll save $1000 bucks.

RideControl and iRC are not announced yet. My understanding is the standard PSS10 are very easy to adjust, no need for this electronics if you have non-EDC.