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The current car is already built on MLB although the new one is rumored to be losing a couple hundred pounds or more. |
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04-09-2013, 04:12 PM | #24 |
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I read your comments as making the point that it is necessary to counterbalance the weight of the batteries. My point is the balance is already so far forward that *if additional weight need be added* it's better to do it in the back of the car.
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05-28-2013, 11:16 AM | #27 | |
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I find it hard to believe that an A4 was considered a better handling car than a 328i, wouldn't even be a contest if the 3er has a m-sport kit, the N20 is a much peppier engine than the 2.0T - plus the weight difference really takes a toll. F30 IMO has biggest issue with power delivery due the to lack of a rear LSD. Hopefully the new M4 will be much lighter a la the E46 chassis, I think the F8x is going to kick some serious ass.
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05-29-2013, 12:37 PM | #28 |
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I love BMW but that Audi is tits.
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05-29-2013, 12:54 PM | #29 |
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"MLB-evo B9 Will Be Lighter. Audi is focusing hard on pulling weight out of the next-generation of longitudinal architecture, so much so that the cars will shed about 100 kg over current versions and a more radical ‘ultra’ spec will go even further." If that Ultra version is close to 3000 lbs and the car has "BMW old-style" superb steering feel and weight I might just jump ship. Then again, the F80 will hopefully be a too big of a hurdle for Audi as the M3s always been. Just no crappy tuned EPS, pleeeze. |
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It will be a good fight i am very intrested to see the outcome. B9 RS5 vs f80 M3. ... cant wait! my guess is that the Audi will have more HP they are quoting 475 while BMW quote 450. M3 should be a bit lighter. Like it always is (no front diff). But will it be light enough to outway the traction advantage the RS5 will have? So many variables. Both cars are also so far away still. 2014 for M3 and 2015 for RS5 right?
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Incidentally, with BMW redoubling efforts on the M3 sedan and Mercedes clearly keeping their investment in the C Class AMG sedan, I would actually be very surprised if Audi chooses to ignore this market again and thumbs their nose up at a B9 RS4 sedan. So I'd expect to see that one, possibly debuting before the RS5. |
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05-30-2013, 08:27 AM | #32 |
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B9 RS5 will get V6, Toyota Camry uses V6...but M3 will use I6, like first Jaguar E-type. I6 just sound hundred times better and rev to red line faster than V6, many not seems know how huge differend is between these layots, allways talking "six cylinder engines". Second big differend is drive-train, M3 will be more fun car to drive, something what remember old school times, rwd, highrevvin I6, manual gearbox and light body. B9 RS5 granny paddles and awd.
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05-30-2013, 09:20 AM | #33 | |
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05-30-2013, 09:38 AM | #34 |
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So what? They are also 1.6 or 1.5L? displacement, Bmw use I4 old times, when turbochargin are allowed. Now back to the basics 1.6L displacement engine must rev over 10000rpm to produce 600-700bhp and that not possible whit Inline six ( becouse long crank and harmonic vibration), but now we are talking road going vehicles and manufactures use V6 only becouse it not so long layot, everything else is better on I6.
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05-30-2013, 10:01 AM | #35 | |
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I appreciate what you are trying to say, but we mustn't forget that there are some amazing V6 engines out there as well. Consider the Nissan GTR, a car that competes in all performance categories with supercars costing up to ten times its price.
Speaking of supercars, and speaking of Jaguar too, credit must be given there as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJ220. It isn't necessarily the engine layout that will make the next M3/M4 a great car (nor any BMW for that matter, though it doesn't hurt either), but I agree with you that the I6 tends to have a better exhaust note. Quote:
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05-30-2013, 12:16 PM | #36 | |
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As a side note, I've read that Audi's current 3.0 engine is pretty outdated in terms of engine tech - specifically no variable valve timing. Seems Audi/VW has had problems with carbon buildup for the last decade or so, which could be due to egr use to reduce emissions. Seems like changing exhaust valve timing would be a better way to meet emission requirements and intake valve timing should improve performance. Regarding your earlier post about RS5 availability, considering the B8.5 *just* went on sale here in the US, makes me think a new RS5 is still quite a ways off (3 years minimum). I haven't followed cars for very long, but Audi seems to have strange RS model availability, even more dubious in North American markets.
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Audi is working to bring RS models earlier in the cycle. It used to be that there was only one RS model on sale at any give time and they were very short run cars by design. Now there are many (just two in the US right now, however), and they go for multiple years. |
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Thanks for the clarification, not sure why I thought the FWD CVT A4 has a transverse engine mount, especially considering it's on the MLB platform (as you said)
![]() Interested to see how that TTV6 performs on the Panamera, I'd be surprised if the R8 went away from NA engines.
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Consider that the next SLS is rumored to move to the new 4.0L M178 turbocharged V8 (debuting first in M177 form in the next C Class AMG). It somewhat opens up the door for Audi to move the R8 in that same direction (4.0L turbocharged VAG V8).
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Isn't the current biturbo V8 in the S6/S7/S8/RS7 a better performer?
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Do we know if the next Gallardo gets a FI V8 or a NA V10? If the Gallardo keeps V10, R8 might very well keep that too.
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I did the Audi Driving Experience and it was great. I went from a loaded 2011 S4 to the M3 and I love both vehicles. The R8 in V10 form is a beast and I rode as a passenger on a hot lap with a professional driver in the R8 V10 plus. It was amazing! I can't imagine many vehicles that could be more fun to be in aside from other exotics. Ahhh, that V10!
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Having just jumped into the E92 M3 arena, I sometimes still wonder if I made the right choice between that and an S4 as a daily driver. The days of natural aspiration are numbered and that alone is the most intriguing part of the outgoing M.
Having little experience in an Audi beyond some extended test drives, they have a fantastic product that is aided by technology to improve the driving experience; whereas, BMW is almost decaying their experience with the introduction of technology. |
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