Video: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Head 2 Head vs M3 Competition, C63, ATS-V

[KevinM]

Nice video. I hope for 2 things:

1. The Alfa is eventually offered with a MT
2. The Alfa proves at least somewhat reliable

A more distant third is that PS4S can (at least as an option) replace the Pirelli P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2s...I'll sacrifice a few tenths of a second on a lap time for my DD for not having to replace tires after 5-7K miles. It's not even the cost - I always worry (based on too much experience) about wheel damage when tires are replaced.

[vanm3]

Originally Posted by domino_z

reason why i bought an f-type v8.......12 months later, and who knew they also threw in a brilliant car

Rofl, i am considering the ftype for my next car...any reviews? Lol

[goj]

Originally Posted by stefan

M3 has great numbers but is such a boring car. I don't really care about how it handles at the limit or whatever. In day to day use the Giulia appears to be much more exciting. I'll be checking it out. I passed on the F80 M3 because it wasn't exciting, sounded terrible, and made power like a JB4 N55. I don't get the appeal but I guess hat tip to all you guys insisting that some wheels and a tune "transformed" the M3 in the ZCP.

Honestly the biggest BMW troll on the internet said the comp pack transformed the car.

But you're just another douche that rolls in and basically says the cars tons of people own here are not that great because "I passed on owning one"

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Interesting to hear their impression of the comp M3.

I spent 3-4 minutes in the white Quadrifoglio at the NY auto show last year. This one had the lightweight manual carbon seats that were very trick. Definitely provided a favorable first impression.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by m34m

It's demoralizing to see how far BMW has fallen. The M3 once owned such a category. How it fares relative to the hyped up new Alfa bothers me less than it's performance relative to MB and Caddy, and even Audi in other comparos.

While I do think BMW has gone soft with every new release since the E89 in 2009, I don't feel the ///M division has fallen off too much. There used to be no competition aside from AMG, which was always more luxury oriented to begin with. When you have a target on your back for so long others are bound to catch up.

Plus, it seems that the general consensus from the press is that the ///M3 ZCP is solid car and is marginally the best in class. While these guys like the Alfa more, I've seen other reviews (such as Chris Harris I believe) which found the Alfa to be a notch below the Bimmer.

And there's no denying the BMW has a better interior, material quality, build quality, infotainment, residuals, etc. than the Alfa. It's still the superior overall car in my book.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Interesting to hear their impression of the comp M3.

I spent 3-4 minutes in the white Quadrifoglio at the NY auto show last year. This one had the lightweight manual carbon seats that were very trick. Definitely provided a favorable first impression.

[sitcom323]

Concur w a few people here.... just can't get past the fact that it looks like an Infiniti.

Before I picked up my ZCP M4, I test drove the C63S. Crazy good motor, super luxe interior. I was ready to sign for a black over saddle with diamond stitching (freakin gorgeous), sticker price around 92k and the lease was around 1700! Residual value was 43% per MB Financial and the money factor also crappy. That afternoon, I was signing paperwork on my ZCP (81k sticker) and already loving my $900 payment!

[MrSmileyDC]

This one was at the D.C. auto show. I'd say it's pretty unique in person.

[doccyber]

Originally Posted by clutchdj

The best non idiotic vid I have seen by Bert and Ernie.

This was a good video but again these two just can't seem help themselves to stay away from juvenile and unimportant ( I was going to use another word but I refrain) comments throughout the whole video. Carlos does such a better job and I can't explain why MT doesn't use him more.

The Alfa seems to have knocked one out of the ballpark though.

[Mako]

any chance Alfa will offer this in AWD form?

might have to wait for the Selvio, their AWD sounds interesting, powers the rear 100% unless it needs to give traction to the front in which case it can give up to 60% I believe.

Wonder how much that cut Ferrari engine will cost to maintain since there is no free maintenance with Alfa.

[m34m]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

While I do think BMW has gone soft with every new release since the E89 in 2009, I don't feel the ///M division has fallen off too much. There used to be no competition aside from AMG, which was always more luxury oriented to begin with. When you have a target on your back for so long others are bound to catch up.

Plus, it seems that the general consensus from the press is that the ///M3 ZCP is solid car and is marginally the best in class. While these guys like the Alfa more, I've seen other reviews (such as Chris Harris I believe) which found the Alfa to be a notch below the Bimmer.

And there's no denying the BMW has a better interior, material quality, build quality, infotainment, residuals, etc. than the Alfa. It's still the superior overall car in my book.

Yup I agree with this. What I think the M3 lacks however is that intangible quality that evokes emotion and makes you passionate about the car. It is still a great car however. I would point to the 911 as an example of a car the competition has not caught up to and likely never will. No offense to the previous poster with the F-Type.

[damnitBobby]

Originally Posted by dubsesd

these guys are just clowns. they bash the m4 gts but praise the zcp m3?

zcp is a coded regular m3 for gods sake.

lol true!

All cars (except the C63) posted practically the same lap time. I'm sure if they threw a non-zcp car with standard 18" wheels in there it would probably post the same lap time as well.

zcp or non-zcp, it's nice to see the M3 is still the one to beat in this segment

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by vladberca

BMW has a response to Alfa.
The CS versions 👍

I find this comical. BMW needs a special special edition to compete with Alfa's standard model...lol.
What then if Alfa releases a "special" model, corsa or whatever then what.

Time to accept that performance wise, this is just a better car. I still prefer my M3 and no even a ZCP, because I'm not racing for tenths and I prefer the proven history of the M3.

Just pick and enjoy.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by m34m

Yup I agree with this. What I think the M3 lacks however is that intangible quality that evokes emotion and makes you passionate about the car. It is still a great car however. I would point to the 911 as an example of a car the competition has not caught up to and likely never will. No offense to the previous poster with the F-Type.

no probs, already got the p car base covered

i thought the same thing when test driving the original f80, but with the zcp burble + mpe, it does now have enough character in the sound department to deliver adequate theatre stringing some corners together - no longer is it only a chassis car in the hills

[vanm3]

Everyone gets so excited when there is a car that can compete in the segment. Because everyone wants to see the m3 beaten...

Proves that the m3 and its history is well worth it...

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

And for the low price of 90k

$90k? More like $100,000+ with all the add ons...

[Ghosn]

My favourite part was the M3 smoking the C63 on track

If I had a dollar every time someone said "Why didn't you buy a C63 instead?". I'd have 10 dollars

[AW BMW]

The M3 is still the car to beat in this segment, the M3 is still the king. Funny how some people are saying BMW has lost its way, BMW is doing just fine. The Alfa came out strong from the get go but has not dethroned the M3. It took over 500 horsepower and R compound tires to tie the M3 or just edge it out, the M3 is punching above its weight if you ask me. Out of the group of 4 the M3 is the one with the least amount of power, the more out dated suspension and still manages to impress the way it does. I can't get over that front end on the Alfa or the interior, but I will say it has impressed me more than the c63s or the ATS-v. Either way you see it competition is good, it should help keep BMW on its toes and the others trying to out do BMW.

[rallybull]

I loved their humor; at 12:13 into the video- what if their moment of silence would have lasted 2 seconds longer? Well the turn at 12:15 answers that question

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

I find this comical. BMW needs a special special edition to compete with Alfa's standard model...lol.
What then if Alfa releases a "special" model, corsa or whatever then what.

Time to accept that performance wise, this is just a better car. I still prefer my M3 and no even a ZCP, because I'm not racing for tenths and I prefer the proven history of the M3.

Just pick and enjoy.

Alfa presented their model after several years from the BMW release.
It's normal and great that they can respond.
Porsche has a lot of updates in their lineup too..

[savage.ulm1]

I am asking myself why Randy had to use the Giulia Q in Drive vs the M3 in manual..Reasons? why to renounce to the right downshift in the right moment ?

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by sitcom323

Concur w a few people here.... just can't get past the fact that it looks like an Infiniti.

Before I picked up my ZCP M4, I test drove the C63S. Crazy good motor, super luxe interior. I was ready to sign for a black over saddle with diamond stitching (freakin gorgeous), sticker price around 92k and the lease was around 1700! Residual value was 43% per MB Financial and the money factor also crappy. That afternoon, I was signing paperwork on my ZCP (81k sticker) and already loving my $900 payment!

You are getting your Italians mixed up. It is the Maserati Ghibli that has a passing resemblance to the Infiniti Q50.