05-21-2014, 10:51 PM | #89 | |
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Quite possible, but still worth something as they are a very reputable mag that wouldn't throw marketing promises around without some confidence in them. We'll see what it does in the Supertest - I think it's going to be a low 7:5x even if it doesn't hit 7:50 in this case. |
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05-21-2014, 11:14 PM | #91 | |
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I always say that the E90 M3 is IMO the best enthusiast sedan ever made. I don't think ( hope? ) that the F80 will be that far behind overall and ahead in outright performance. |
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05-21-2014, 11:57 PM | #93 | |
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Now, if we then go back and look at the two door cars, which ones that share the entire platform and all chassis components with a sedan are faster than the M4? Few, no? So then, when you consider that perspective, things make much more sense. The reason an M4 isn't able to keep pace with a 911 S, C7, R8, GTR or whatever else is out there is because it's not a sports car. Instead it's simply one of the world's fastest, highest performing sedans... with two doors removed - and that's it. Nothing else (well, ok, CF boot lid) is done to the car to optimize it for the coupe form factor such as, glaringly, not taking out the backseat or at least reducing it to toddler-only size, not shrinking the passenger compartment to capitalize on such a revision, and indeed not shortening the car to take advantage of such a configuration either. People tend to forget that. |
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05-22-2014, 01:09 AM | #94 |
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I guess if I want a sedan I will buy a sedan...not one with 2 doors removed.
If I drive something that is 2 doors with sales pitch around it's great performance then I would call it a sports car. That's my perspective. The execution might be different between Porsche or BMW M but at the end there are similar objectives and I am sure driver enjoyment would be a key one and this time the journalist declared Porsche victory. |
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05-22-2014, 01:54 AM | #95 | |
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Sport Auto managed to do 8 laps in the 918. 2 acclimatisation laps, 5 laps with traffic and then the final lap where they made the 7min 13s time. So, it's normal that the Sport Auto lap times are slower. Will be interesting to see how fast it is in the Supertest and how much faster than the E92 it really is. |
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05-22-2014, 03:01 AM | #96 | |
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And as for the M3 GTS Supertest must be said very clearly that SPORTAUTO assumes, that an faster Supertest NOS round with the M3 GTS would have been possible ... only settings would have to be made to the suspension, which was not set optimal from BMW for driving on the Nordschleife - but such adjustments contradict the Supertest test criteria !!! |
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Im in agreement that for a car with 430 hp and a very good power to weight, the time is pretty poor, especially when you take into consideration that the tires are better too which correlate to some of the time saved. |
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05-22-2014, 07:10 AM | #99 | |
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7m 36s + 25s = 8m 01s full lap And that time was on Sport Cup tires, KW Clubsport suspension, lightweight seats and custom exhaust. The Sport Auto 8:05 time looks even better now... |
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I believe the 7:50 time we see everywhere simply comes from decucing the 15 seconds from the Sport Auto time of the E9X. Now, the big question, is the BMW 15 seconds with the standard PS2 fitted to the E9X or the optional PSC+ ... |
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05-22-2014, 07:46 AM | #101 | |
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The article on the F8x says that the M3/4 has set nearly identical 7:50 times with various M test drivers. So they are definitely referring to times set by BMW, not just a 15s deduction from the E92 Supertest time. |
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05-22-2014, 08:10 AM | #103 | ||
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BMW has one of the fastest sedans in the world and gets dinged pretty hard for it when measured against coupes and sports cars. Just how big of criticism, then, do the rest if the automakers deserve for not even being in the game? If you don't even make it to the starting line you get a pass? |
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I disagree with the comments that the M4/M3 are just fast sedans and the M4 is a sedan with the doors cut off. The e30 and e46 didn't even have sedan versions. The M3 has always been a two door sports coupe that sometimes has an extra two doors added. The excuse that the M cars are just fast daily drivers or fast sedans with doors cut off is ridiculous. BMW decided to go the way of profits and M Division became about marketing instead of Motorsport and everyone knows. BMW is the only manufacturer making grand tourers while everyone else is making the most raw and performance oriented sports cars ever. When the best attributes of M Divisions halo sports car is that it's a good daily driver and can fit groceries and kids easily then you know M is "Motorsport" in name only. There are plenty of non-M high torque and good mpg grocery getters that can still be fun on the track occasionally and BMW could have kept M cars as actual sports car.
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What M3 competitor is "raw"? The Merc with the really nice auto transmission? Another classic case of buyer's remorse.
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Doesn't seem like buyer's remorse to me at all. I think the major point was that the M brand is diluted. I think most anyone would agree there.
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When you talk about the GT3, the 458 Speciale, and the likes of those, yes, they are sports/exotics but the regular version of them are GT cars...they just happen to be some of the best cars in the world. |
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Still though, the fact is that even without the sedan, the M3 coupes of yore were still based on the coupified sedan that was the the 3 Series "ci". It's just that now we do have the M3 sedan to clearly send home the message that, yep, it turns out that putting the same chassis components on the actual sedan doesn't change the performance equation. You can replace the four doors with two doors and even slope the roof back for that racy look if you must. You may mask the humble underpinnings to the untrained eye, but you won't hide it from the stopwatch. |
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05-22-2014, 10:53 AM | #110 | |
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So for being the fastest straight line and track M3 ever, this car and BMW M division have sold out? I feel the opposite they are to be commended for managing to combine staggering performance with improved efficiency and emissions that keeps my tax and fuel costs down. Sorry if I'm late to the party and missing your point, I get that it's not as emotional for some but it's a much faster package overall and we're accusing it of not being a sports car anymore
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