This used M4 is only $40k - would you buy it?

[MWcoupe]

I would buy e46 and any other M that's made back then. They don't make bmw like they used to. These things have so much problems new. Can't imagine the nightmare without warranty. Nope. But it's a great price for someone that's looking for a 435. I would buy this used one over a newer 435

[Darth One]

Originally Posted by Wills2

What are these higher maintenance costs and what parts are you having to replace?

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

I think he speaks about BMW in general, which for sure applies to F80 M3.
I doubt BMW has completely come up with newer gasket design to deal with heat, oil, gasoline, moisture mix in. All BMW I own leaks oil after 4 years of ownership. I'd be super happy if after 60k-miles or beyond BMW M3/M4 doesn't leak oil, but I am not holding my breath on that.

Buying used BMW, or any car for that matter, is great way to save money but only if you can do most of the fix/maintenance DIY; else I have a feeling leasing and turn it in every 3-years is a way to go.

yes, i was speaking more generally from 18 years of BMW ownership but not specific to the current gen. my F82 is only 2 years old and 3k miles at this point.

the higher-dollar maintenance jobs come with more miles on the clock - for obvious reasons and hardly something unique to BMW - but at 50k you are faced with those bills early on in your ownership.

beyond that, it just seems like things just start need repairing after 60k. that's just my experience. over multiple cars we've got air conditioning, ABS, fuel pumps, differentials, transmissions, and other things i can't remember. all pretty hefty items and i've never owned a BMW over 90k miles!

it's all part of BMW ownership, and something you just have to plan for. if it really bothered me i would have stuck with Honda after my '92 Civic lasted 160k miles with nothing but oil changes

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by MWcoupe

These things have so much problems new.

They do? I've had mine since Aug '15 and have had ZERO mechanical problems.

This has actually been the most mechanically solid car I have every owned.

I had more problems with my previous model BMW than this one.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

It's not. The car is priced as high as they can go for a 3 year old M4 with over 50k miles and no warranty.

Whatever you say man. 50k miles is nothing and I'm not sure that anyone looking at a 4 year old car has warranty on their priority list.

[LVI]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

It's not. The car is priced as high as they can go for a 3 year old M4 with over 50k miles and no warranty.

what are you talking about? Can you find one that's priced even remotely close to it? This is a bargain ... I'm honestly thinking about buying it and i'm not even in the market.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by lawrence1

what are you talking about? Can you find one that's priced even remotely close to it? This is a bargain ... I'm honestly thinking about buying it and i'm not even in the market.

From what I have seen, the wholesale on this car is in the mid to high 30's. 40k retail sounds right to me with 50k miles and no warranty. If you like the car, you should buy it.

[6spdTanzM4]

Originally Posted by MWcoupe

I would buy e46 and any other M that's made back then. They don't make bmw like they used to. These things have so much problems new. Can't imagine the nightmare without warranty. Nope. But it's a great price for someone that's looking for a 435. I would buy this used one over a newer 435

By “these things” do you mean F80/F82? I had zero issues in three years. Seemed much more reliable than my old ‘09 335i.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by shiftmr2t

By "these things" do you mean F80/F82? I had zero issues in three years. Seemed much more reliable than my old '09 335i.

Agreed. My F80 and F82 have been the most reliable of any M I have owned and I have had many of them.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

I think he speaks about BMW in general, which for sure applies to F80 M3.
I doubt BMW has completely come up with newer gasket design to deal with heat, oil, gasoline, moisture mix in. All BMW I own leaks oil after 4 years of ownership. I'd be super happy if after 60k-miles or beyond BMW M3/M4 doesn't leak oil, but I am not holding my breath on that.

Buying used BMW, or any car for that matter, is great way to save money but only if you can do most of the fix/maintenance DIY; else I have a feeling leasing and turn it in every 3-years is a way to go.

Well I've just done 70k in mine with zero issues they warranty the car for 3 years over an unlimited mileage in the UK so seem to be pretty confident in the car.

I've had 10 BMWs and done over 500k with no issues and have an 11 year old Z4C on the drive that has never missed a beat.

I guess I'm just lucky....

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Darth One

yes, i was speaking more generally from 18 years of BMW ownership but not specific to the current gen. my F82 is only 2 years old and 3k miles at this point.

the higher-dollar maintenance jobs come with more miles on the clock - for obvious reasons and hardly something unique to BMW - but at 50k you are faced with those bills early on in your ownership.

beyond that, it just seems like things just start need repairing after 60k. that's just my experience. over multiple cars we've got air conditioning, ABS, fuel pumps, differentials, transmissions, and other things i can't remember. all pretty hefty items and i've never owned a BMW over 90k miles!

it's all part of BMW ownership, and something you just have to plan for. if it really bothered me i would have stuck with Honda after my '92 Civic lasted 160k miles with nothing but oil changes

You're not the only person that has extensive experience over many miles and many BMWs over too many years, looking at that post tells me you're either unlucky or a bit tough on your cars....

If you're faced with big bills at 50k then you're doing something wrong.

It's not part of BMW ownership at all, if it was I wouldn't be on my 10th.

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by MWcoupe

I would buy e46 and any other M that's made back then. They don't make bmw like they used to. These things have so much problems new. Can't imagine the nightmare without warranty. Nope. But it's a great price for someone that's looking for a 435. I would buy this used one over a newer 435

They do? E46's were plagued with problems, as were some glaring flaws with the E9x's. My F80 has had nothing go wrong, absolutely nothing. It is 3 years old and has nearly 50,000 miles on it. I owned an E46 M3 from 35k miles to 65k miles and had so many little things kill me. I used to pray every time I'd turn the key in the morning. Never do that in the F80.

[aBMWfan]

Reliability: F8x>E36>E9x>E46 no doubt. Out of every generation of M I've had, this one's been an angel

[jailonacs99]

Wheels not matching the listing description bugs me. The other features seem right though. Did the dealer swap on the advertised 437M wheels after the photos were taken or are they offering to upgrade them?

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

They do? E46's were plagued with problems, as were some glaring flaws with the E9x's. My F80 has had nothing go wrong, absolutely nothing. It is 3 years old and has nearly 50,000 miles on it. I owned an E46 M3 from 35k miles to 65k miles and had so many little things kill me. I used to pray every time I'd turn the key in the morning. Never do that in the F80.

Agreed. My experience is that from the E36 to the F80/82, the reliability has consistently improved from one generation to the next.

[JimBean2014]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

It is at Lauderdale Infiniti, Holman Honda is right next door...it is not at Lauderdale BMW, but I believe they are all connected. Still fishy if Infiniti and BMW are sister stores and they have it at Infinity...

I think this is not uncommon as the previous owner might have traded -in for an infinity.. going back to the deal, Do you know the original MSRP ? The way I look at BMWs is you can always get a better deal, especially on a m car with 50k miles because of how they depreciate.

[rexb16]

update?

[Indiana Jones]

I did not have time this weekend, I am going to make another attempt this week!

[summilux]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

I doubt BMW has completely come up with newer gasket design to deal with heat, oil, gasoline, moisture mix in. All BMW I own leaks oil after 4 years of ownership. I'd be super happy if after 60k-miles or beyond BMW M3/M4 doesn't leak oil, but I am not holding my breath on that.

I think I read somewhere that the gasket composition was changed sometimee during the E90 life cycle. I had my OF and valve gasket replaced with OEM somewhere around 100K km and at 240K km I'm still leak free, knock on wood. I sure would be happy if the starter and water pump impeller were upgraded too.

[ano0oj]

$40k seems quite high for a non-cpo car with 50k miles. Looking on autotrader right now and looks like you shouldn't be paying more than $42k for a 2016 with even 15k miles on it without CPO.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by ano0oj

$40k seems quite high for a non-cpo car with 50k miles. Looking on autotrader right now and looks like you shouldn't be paying more than $42k for a 2016 with even 15k miles on it without CPO.

Did you mean I shouldn't pay more than $42k for a 2015 with 15k miles without CPO or did you mean 2016? I cannot find a 2016 with 15k miles near 42k? If you found something...please share the link!