991 Carrera S vs M4

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Again...are you implying these issues are indicative of a brand that has lost its way? I don't get your point because certainly BMW has had its issues as well. I say Porsche knows what it's doing regarding driving dynamics and design and this guy posts warranty issues that in the larger picture are minuscule compared to units sold within the brand. Smh

A company that weasels out of honoring their warranty when they can is a company that has lost its way imo. They make great cars for sure but I feel that the corporate ego is very high. That gets in the way when it's time to say 'yeah it broke we'll take care of it'

[48Laws]

I think you're displaying fake outrage because the issue is currently being addressed by Porsche. How we got to that point is a waste of energy. Continue to waste your time on shoulda, coulda, wouldas. Show me a denied current GT3 warranty...

[Never Convicted]

By "straight rolling race," you actually mean "straight," correct? Because that's pretty much all the M5 does. And even when you head to the local Starbucks, there are usually left and right turns involved. Is that fun? I just don't see why you'd need a bigass luxobarge just to blast from stoplight to stoplight. But maybe that's me. I don't like NASCAR either.

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

I think you're displaying fake outrage because the issue is currently being addressed by Porsche. How we got to that point is a waste of energy. Continue to waste your time on shoulda, coulda, wouldas. Show me a denied current GT3 warranty...

Of course they're addressing it. The cars are new to market. They have to as it's too glaring.

If circumstances were different, say 3 years in and 30K miles and a wheels falls off because of a failed center lock? They covered their ass in this example with a supplemented owners manual insert which states a log must be kept if you're tracking the car and you must change the hubs after xxxx miles. An exclusion of the warranty, after the sale.

In the coolant line issue the glue on the hoses are failing and this is going to be a huge issue. There will be a class action on this (if there isn't already) as Porsche simply will not incur the cost of dropping the engine in each and every car to replace the failed fitting. Screw safety, screw the customer, we got their money, we're the best and most profitable car company in the world.

Porsche owners are so privileged to have their cars lol...

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

By "straight rolling race," you actually mean "straight," correct? Because that's pretty much all the M5 does. And even when you head to the local Starbucks, there are usually left and right turns involved. Is that fun? I just don't see why you'd need a bigass luxobarge just to blast from stoplight to stoplight. But maybe that's me. I don't like NASCAR either.

So your saying the M5 needs to tow a lawnmower to make it a fair race then?

http://jalopnik.com/350z-hilariously...ium=socialflow

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

So your saying the M5 needs to tow a lawnmower to make it a fair race then?

http://jalopnik.com/350z-hilariously...ium=socialflow

LOL! Like any of you M5 guys even know what day your lawn is mowed by your grounds crew.

Nevermind. I just read some of your posts over on the V-Box thread, and didn't know that the M3 guys were saying the new M3 could do 10 second quarter miles and such. Now I see that you and your ilk were alying in the weeds for the opportunity to slap the infidels down. So I'm all good, even though you insisting on bringing your touchdown dance to a thread where people are discussing 991's is a bit of overkill. But please, revel.

Be honest...you don't even own a lawnmower, right?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

This is a great discussion guys. The whole 991 C2S/C4S vs the F10 M5 is a long debated topic over on the other side of the forum and we've had many owners make the switch from the F10 M5 to the 991 because they are so close in price range yet two totally different cars.

My opinion is that the Porsche 991 911 is one of the best sports cars that money can buy, and what I especially like about them is that you can spec them to be as luxurious as an M5/M6 if you want.

Anyways, I just wanted to proposition this. Does anyone here think that a new F82 M4 can beat a 991 C2S in a straight rolling race, stock for stock? Because if it can't then it'll have no chance against an F10 M5 same race.

Now on the track, I'd give up the M5 in a heartbeat for either the 991 C2S or the new M4, but neither of those can be everything a supercar sports sedan can be and vice versa.

The M5 in this video doesn't even have the Competition Package either.

Train lengths gentleman, train lengths.

Oh another trouble maker is bringing M5/M6 stuff to M3/M4 forum (JK )
I'm waiting for another "thanks for coming by..." stuff

[Randy M]

That guy sounds like Borat.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Rated R

Of course they're addressing it. The cars are new to market. They have to as it's too glaring.

If circumstances were different, say 3 years in and 30K miles and a wheels falls off because of a failed center lock? They covered their ass in this example with a supplemented owners manual insert which states a log must be kept if you're tracking the car and you must change the hubs after xxxx miles. An exclusion of the warranty, after the sale.

In the coolant line issue the glue on the hoses are failing and this is going to be a huge issue. There will be a class action on this (if there isn't already) as Porsche simply will not incur the cost of dropping the engine in each and every car to replace the failed fitting. Screw safety, screw the customer, we got their money, we're the best and most profitable car company in the world.

Porsche owners are so privileged to have their cars lol...

Please refrain from pointless hypotheticals. Fake outrage. The end of the world is coming. When is this glue issue going to become huge? How many GT3s hit the market yearly? I think the issue is manageable. Unfortunately it took lawyers but that isn't the best argument against an iconic automobile like the 911.

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Please refrain from pointless hypotheticals. Fake outrage. The end of the world is coming. When is this glue issue going to become huge? How many GT3 hit the market yearly?

Yeah fake outrage pffft.... One of a few reasons why I sold mine was the coolant lines, not knowing if or when they would douse my rear wheels. What difference does it make if 100 or 10K hit the streets? They should cover it before it becomes not only class action, but wrongful death suits.

There is a reason Sharkwerks produces coolant line replacements:

http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=386

[48Laws]

How many miles did you have on it?

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

How many miles did you have on it?

Approx 5K when I sold it.

[48Laws]

That's a decent amount of miles.

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

That's a decent amount of miles.

GT3 market is different than most for sure.

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Rated R

GT3 market is different than most for sure.

What year was your GT3?

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

What year was your GT3?

2011

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Rated R

2011

Im sorry I did not read all the posts but what were your exact problems with the car?

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

Im sorry I did not read all the posts but what were your exact problems with the car?

I had zero problems with my car. I sold it for a few reasons, but did not like how Porsche deals with warranty issues.

[991brothers]

I just test drove a Carrera 4S......

Wow. I am just speechless on how amazing it feels.

[991brothers]

Originally Posted by Rated R

I had zero problems with my car. I sold it for a few reasons, but did not like how Porsche deals with warranty issues.

I am just curious on why you did?!

I just test drove a C4S and can't imagine how the GT3 feels

[pkimM3r]

damn though.....these C2S's look so damn good with minor cosmetic mods...you really don't have to do too much to it to look so sweet!

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

The 991 chassis is the single best chassis and car on the market short of hypercars like the 918/p1/etc. As Chris Harris said, it is as close to perfection as you will get. Thats why they charge their premium, they test and do R&D and perfect the car. Once you drive one, you're hooked. Just NOTHING else like it.
Plus they are the best built cars with the quality/fit/finish, but you have to pay for it. They are too distinguished a brand to lower prices and cheapen themselves. They build a superior car with superior performance and handling. No other 400 hp car in the world can touch a 991S.