10-31-2013, 07:33 AM | #23 |
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Of course the proof is in the driving but on paper at least BMW appear to have invested a surprising amount of effort in improving the manual.
In case anyone missed it in the pages of specs: "The engine sends its power to the wheels through a six-speed manual gearbox as standard. This gearbox is significantly more compact than its predecessor and 12 kilograms lighter, allowing it to assist the car’s optimum – virtually 50:50 – weight distribution. As a means of increasing shift comfort, the manual gearbox uses innovative new carbon friction linings in its synchroniser rings. Dry sump lubrication provides an efficient supply of oil to all parts of the gearbox. The new gearbox also works a lot more quietly than before and blips the throttle on downshifts – previously a feature reserved for the M Double Clutch Transmission. This engagement speed control function helps to enhance stability and was originally developed by motor sport engineers." -- http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=892746 |
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As for which I'd chose, because I already have an MT, I'd lean on going DCT to compliment my E92. Having said that, if this was my only car, I'd go MT. Personally, I've never had any issues with the 1-2 shift (and this is after driving a 991 C2S). The clutch pedal can definitely be stiffer, but I've gotten so used to M that I can shift quickly and smoothly, unlike some of the people that have been reporting that issue. Also, it depends on how long you want to keep the car. I'm at 75k and I really like not worrying about the transmission. I know that shouldn't be one of the things that will fail first.
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^^nobody knows that info yet
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10-31-2013, 10:56 AM | #27 | |
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10-31-2013, 11:06 AM | #28 |
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Fun fact, all the M cars in the M Performance school right now have the DCT. The only manual car recently was the 1M which they swapped for the M6 a year or two back. I wish that would've been available instead of the M6 when I went but I can't say I felt a huge loss with that swap...
As much 'fun' as driving a manual can be, the DCT is awe inspiring. Something to be said about the instantaneous change of gears at the flick of a finger. My first experience with one was in the M5 on the track and I was sold before even getting in the M3. For me a manual is fun, but for every day driving and raw performance, I'd opt for the DCT every time. |
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10-31-2013, 05:50 PM | #32 |
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If the car is sweet to drive with 6MT, then that will be awesome. I can't believe that BMW spent serious effort on the manual tranny only to make it vague. I'm optimistic...
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99% of buyers dont need extra tenth on the track.. there is no argument that manual creates higher enjoyment and connection to the vehicle. one time i bought a car w/o manual i regreted it. since then its no brainer for me to go manual every time. |
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i love my DCT, was worryied about getting bored. NEVER DID. its fun is a different way. i find my self shifting and downshifting a lot cuz its so easy. not to mention the car sounds great up shifts and downshifts.
the only way i would want a manual is if the car was stupid fast and it didn't matter (GT500) . the M4 might need every thing it can get to compete. which means DCT is what i would get most likly. |
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The 1M they used to have didn't have that option and they included heel to toe instruction as part of the advertisement. I honestly don't think they care about burnt clutches or maintenance of any kind. They discussed how many tires they go through, people wrecking cars (we didn't have this but one in my group did get off the skid pad far enough to be in the grass that his car needed to get towed out which was amusing - x drive where are ya when we need ya!?), and brakes/roters, one of my M5s parking brake got stuck/frozen at one point when we switched cars, it wouldn't move lol. After me messing with it and giving it some gas after the car said it was disengaged it still didn't move. The instructor got in and floored it and it sounded like something broke, but he was like "you're good to go, just was stuck!". Every car we got in had every option checked, I mean seriously they could've left off the B&O stereo's as we didn't even turn them on once. The oldest cars out there had 3k miles on them with a lifetime mpg of 5. They don't keep them out there that long and sell them in auction after cleaning them up and making them 'as new' as they can. I just don't see a burnt clutch causing them worry with as much they spend on other things. Sorry to derail, if you love a manual and want that experience every time you get in your car, then it's a no brainer. But there are plenty of folks that would prefer the DCT and there is no doubt that it provides a performance increase. |
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DCT makes sense with high revving s65 and F1 theme. 6MT makes sense with low end torque of s55 and no need to keep revs high. |
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I have driven my E46 M3 for 10 years. I love the SMG in it even though it is known to jerk your head off when it is driven hard. DCT will be that much better. I am going to get DCT. And it has 7 gears!
Another reason I won't buy a Porsche or Audi is because their + and - on the stick is reverse of BMW's. BMW's "push forward to downshift and pull back to upshift" just makes more sense. Or at least that is what I am used to. |
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Porsche switched this last year.
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