Thoughts on this new OBD flasher

BuLoOoSki · 12-03-2017, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SanchoDivine

I am reading that note differently than you.

The note on this announcement:

Get ready for a truly MAGIC Christmas Eve this year as we are preparing to deliver these protocols straight to your door just in time for the holidays. However, MAGPro2 X17 users will need to acquire our BMW Fxx Cable for MAGPro2 X17 to be able to work with their existing X17 tool.

To me it sounds like those who have the MAGPro2 X17 will still need to buy the cable (which appears to cost £145.00 for them) in order to be able to enable OBD unlock.

The product purchase page makes me think all you need is the cable, a computer, and an internet connection:

There's also two X17 tools (master/slave). I don't understand the difference but it seems the master already comes with the BMW ENET cable.

There have been a lot of flashing via OBD rumors recently. I'm really hoping this is true. If so, it should make it easy for BM3, HEX, etc to offer their tunes through any shop that owns one of these cables.

From the post below I guess you do need an X17 as I expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M4_MLT

This is for tuners. I have X17 flasher already. With this cable no more ecu removal. It will VR and then the master tuner will send a file and flash customers car via obd. No more ecu removal on any F series

So you need to find a tuner who has a magic motorsport magpro2 X17 flashing tool

SanchoDivine · 12-03-2017, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuLoOoSki

Quote:

Originally Posted by SanchoDivine

I am reading that note differently than you.

The note on this announcement:

Get ready for a truly MAGIC Christmas Eve this year as we are preparing to deliver these protocols straight to your door just in time for the holidays. However, MAGPro2 X17 users will need to acquire our BMW Fxx Cable for MAGPro2 X17 to be able to work with their existing X17 tool.

To me it sounds like those who have the MAGPro2 X17 will still need to buy the cable (which appears to cost £145.00 for them) in order to be able to enable OBD unlock.

The product purchase page makes me think all you need is the cable, a computer, and an internet connection:

There's also two X17 tools (master/slave). I don't understand the difference but it seems the master already comes with the BMW ENET cable.

There have been a lot of flashing via OBD rumors recently. I'm really hoping this is true. If so, it should make it easy for BM3, HEX, etc to offer their tunes through any shop that owns one of these cables.

From the post below I guess you do need an X17 as I expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M4_MLT

This is for tuners. I have X17 flasher already. With this cable no more ecu removal. It will VR and then the master tuner will send a file and flash customers car via obd. No more ecu removal on any F series

So you need to find a tuner who has a magic motorsport magpro2 X17 flashing tool

That makes sense. I thought it would have been a less than ideal business decision to sell something that would cannibalize a more expensive product.

Too bad this probably won't change the landscape for a while

ptper · 12-03-2017, 02:26 PM

I could be misunderstanding things (or just wishful thinking), but the way I'm seeing this is that the tuning company's dealers will be picking this up. The tuning companies will write the tune to be flashed by the new handheld. So, customers would have the choice of purchasing the handheld or going to the dealers to get flashed. I guess the most economical way would be to have the dealers flash the tune. That's how the Audi B8's did it. You'd pay roughly $2k for the tune and an hour of labor for the dealer to flash (which never takes more than 20 minutes, lol). The dealer may also get a cut of the tune pricing, but essentially with this loader the customer base increases because of the convenience factor and the option to flash back to stock.

smithf80 · 12-03-2017, 02:38 PM

Interesting. Hopefully this gets developed more by the time my new car arrives.

M4_MLT · 12-03-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ptper

I could be misunderstanding things (or just wishful thinking), but the way I'm seeing this is that the tuning company's dealers will be picking this up. The tuning companies will write the tune to be flashed by the new handheld. So, customers would have the choice of purchasing the handheld or going to the dealers to get flashed. I guess the most economical way would be to have the dealers flash the tune. That's how the Audi B8's did it. You'd pay roughly $2k for the tune and an hour of labor for the dealer to flash (which never takes more than 20 minutes, lol). The dealer may also get a cut of the tune pricing, but essentially with this loader the customer base increases because of the convenience factor and the option to flash back to stock.

yes its for us who uses X17 Flasher , customer comes to us and we do all the job from A-Z like we used to do and still do when pulling ecu out of the car , first car tested with this new system will be my own M4 , hopefully I will get this in 2 weeks time

BuLoOoSki · 12-05-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by M4_MLT

yes its for us who uses X17 Flasher , customer comes to us and we do all the job from A-Z like we used to do and still do when pulling ecu out of the car , first car tested with this new system will be my own M4 , hopefully I will get this in 2 weeks time

Please report back

S2evo1 · 12-05-2017, 02:07 AM

The Magic tool is not for end users its a chiptuning tool for pro users.

pureboost · 12-06-2017, 01:13 AM

and it would be very difficult to find a tuner who will send you open Master files.

the new Hack is great and I think we will all benefit from it over the time with existing flash solutions which does not require OBD Unlock any more or new Flashing tools.

buying this cable for private use only is just waste of Money. lean back and wait a bit, there is so much more coming in the near future.

smithf80 · 12-06-2017, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by S2evo1

The Magic tool is not for end users its a chiptuning tool for pro users.

Who cares? Eventually all the best will have it (if it works) and we'll be able to get our DME's tuned without having to remove them from the car and causing permanent damage. Seems like a pretty solid deal to me.

Patrick BMW · 12-06-2017, 12:35 PM

Why isn't the F33 430i convertible on the list?

VCP · 12-06-2017, 01:09 PM

Then we get into how good is the tune file they provide? That is where I would be most concerned. The dealer will see this signature as well(flash counter), where with a good bench flash that is patched and then un detectible.

ptper · 12-06-2017, 01:20 PM

Just saw (via comment on an IG post) that VF Engineering will be coming out soon with something.

Clark_Kent · 12-06-2017, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ptper

Just saw (via comment on an IG post) that VF Engineering will be coming out soon with something.

Do share.

Sleeper · 12-06-2017, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ptper

Just saw (via comment on an IG post) that VF Engineering will be coming out soon with something.

Oh great. Now we get to read giant essays on why VF's form of OBDII flashing is the most R&D'ed, best engineered, and most complete on the market today.

VCP · 12-06-2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Oh great. Now we get to read giant essays on why VF's form of OBDII flashing is the most R&D'ed, best engineered, and most complete on the market today.

BoxKing · 12-06-2017, 06:22 PM

This would be great if it turns out to be a tool that could be used to bridge (upload) any files from whichever Flash Tune Vendors map list you chose to use.

TurboSid · 12-07-2017, 11:14 AM

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VF-Engineering · 12-08-2017, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Oh great. Now we get to read giant essays on why VF's form of OBDII flashing is the most R&D'ed, best engineered, and most complete on the market today.

We'll most likely just post something like this...

And then a link to where the customer can make the purchase!

www._Reserved_for_link_.com

sdstatestud88 · 12-08-2017, 05:17 PM

Got Em ha Good stuff BM3 and VF moving the platform forward

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Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

We'll most likely just post something like this...

And then a link to where the customer can make the purchase!

www._Reserved_for_link_.com

BoxKing · 12-08-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleeper

Oh great. Now we get to read giant essays on why VF's form of OBDII flashing is the most R&D'ed, best engineered, and most complete on the market today.

We'll most likely just post something like this...

[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/17...g?v=1505328541[/IMG]

And then a link to where the customer can make the purchase!

www._Reserved_for_link_.com

[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/17...g?v=1510601112[/IMG]

Now this is what I'm talking about!

Please keep us updated

ptper · 12-08-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

We'll most likely just post something like this...

[IMG]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1759/4823/files/hextuning_steps_1024x1024.png?v=1505328MG]

And then a link to where the customer can make the purchase!

www._Reserved_for_link_.com

VF-Engineering · 12-09-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

We've released this - site will be updated to reflect this tomorrow.

Those that would like to order, feel free to contact me via PM or email until the wire change.

BMW M3/M4 OBD Flashing for End Users - Official Release - Available NOW! http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1447224

Works for M5/M6 etc as well. This is the first release with end user ability that I know of in the world.

Tie goes to the runner?!?!?!

Looks like we both received the same news very early this morning.

Glad to see that all of our efforts will be going to good use with this
new opportunity!

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