2016 M4 GTS Showing in U.S. Dealership Ordering System

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Alumac

The Porsche is on a completely different level than any BMW. It's not weight. It's not power. It is the overall car. If you don't see the difference, I am sorry, but most do.

Funny you discredit comparing a BMW to a Black series Mercedes, yet insist on the comparison of a BMW to Porsche.

How can we see the difference before seeing the M4 GTS?
This car will most likely be more similar to a GT3 than what is comfortable for Porsche but until we see the specs and test results we can only speculate. I think it will be a very serious car. Audi have the R8, Benz the GT S, Lexus the LF-A. BMW have no such car, the GTS will be it's performance spear head. I'll be very surprised if it's not very,very fast.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by camber

I never said it was in the U.S. But the cost was equivalent to US $150k.

Also, the C63 black series weighs nearly 4,000 lbs. that's hardly a better comparison.

The M3 GTS will obviously be a lot closer in weight to the GT3 (~3,150 lbs) than the C63 black series.

you think they are shedding 400-500lbs to get into the weight class of a gt3? you either are going to be deeply disappointed or need to reassess you expectations now.

I've been take aback by your expectations, just unrealistic.

at least 30-50% cheaper (because no gt3 leaves without options)
within the weight class of a gt3 (400-500lbs of magic weight savings)
more power (I'm assuming this one, correct me if I'm wrong)
faster around a track (which is again taking a sedan/coupe chassis to above and beyond the level of a dedicated bespoke sports car chassis)

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

How can we see the difference before seeing the M4 GTS?
This car will most likely be more similar to a GT3 than what is comfortable for Porsche but until we see the specs and test results we can only speculate. I think it will be a very serious car. Audi have the R8, Benz the GT S, Lexus the LF-A. BMW have no such car, the GTS will be it's performance spear head. I'll be very surprised if it's not very,very fast.

again, its not a bespoke sports car chassis. so much is left out that way.

ps bmw has the i8, which is price wise the classmate of the a v8 r8

[buddalun]

Originally Posted by C5driver

Looks like I'll be seeing it at Pebble this August

That makes two of us.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

again, its not a bespoke sports car chassis. so much is left out that way.

Which will make this all that more fun to watch.

[dtmwerksm3]

Don't even know the specs but just looking at the e92 GTS and assuming it'll be similar in the options and weight savings on the F8x its a gigantic waste of money IMO.

The 2011 GTS only shed about 100lbs, slightly wider stance, some seats and a bolt in cage, and some other things…hardly worth it being it cost double the price of the standard M3. Only type of person I could see buying one is a collector being that its very limited production, 2011 only 150 were made. Or a track nut with more money than brains.

The talk that it'll be comparable to the GT3 is also laughable, for performance, weight savings, all that — but maybe I'm wrong and the new GTS will be a beast. Back to price comparision, my buddy has a 991 GT3 optioned to the teeth, only thing he couldn't get were the sport bucket seats (on order) and he rolled out the door at 169k.

[Ian1973]

I would think they wouldn't even bother with it unless its a step up from the regular car, and jeez, how quickly they are doing a special model.

[adc]

Originally Posted by dtmwerksm3

Don't even know the specs but just looking at the e92 GTS and assuming it'll be similar in the options and weight savings on the F8x its a gigantic waste of money IMO.

The 2011 GTS only shed about 100lbs, slightly wider stance, some seats and a bolt in cage, and some other things…hardly worth it being it cost double the price of the standard M3. Only type of person I could see buying one is a collector being that its very limited production, 2011 only 150 were made. Or a track nut with more money than brains.

The GTS had a 4.4L stroker engine.

What kept the price up was the extremely limited numbers, around 120 if I recall. When you have to amortize the R&D for the bespoke bits over just a hundred cars, it gets crazy expensive.

If BMW decides to produce 500-1000 cars this time around, whatever changes they make will be amortized over a much bigger run, so they price increase should be a lot more reasonable.

[gearboxtrouble]

I'm guessing a limited production run at ~3300 lbs with ~500 hp and pilot sport cup tires at ~USD 140k. It will have no rear seats, stereo, nav and will be more like a street legal DTM car than a harder M4. Nice if you're into dedicated track cars but not for me. At the 120-140k price bracket I'll take a 911 GTS or a Mercedes AMG GT S.

[dtmwerksm3]

Originally Posted by adc

The GTS had a 4.4L stroker engine.

What kept the price up was the extremely limited numbers, around 120 if I recall. When you have to amortize the R&D for the bespoke bits over just a hundred cars, it gets crazy expensive.

If BMW decides to produce 500-1000 cars this time around, whatever changes they make will be amortized over a much bigger run, so they price increase should be a lot more reasonable.

The price is definitely reflective of the very limited number of cars built, which is why I'm saying only some crazy collectors will be snatching them up. I'm a bimmer guy through and through just look at my sig below, I honestly just think the GTS model is gonna be a gigantic waste of money if its anything like the last one.

[cmkde]

Originally Posted by dtmwerksm3

The price is definitely reflective of the very limited number of cars built, which is why I'm saying only some crazy collectors will be snatching them up. I'm a bimmer guy through and through just look at my sig below, I honestly just think the GTS model is gonna be a gigantic waste of money if its anything like the last one.

Was the car wider only because of spacers too? Or was it actually physically wider fenders? Doubling the MSRP is absolutely crazy, but if there are only a few hundred made and die hard fans out there it makes sense, just not for most of us. You could spend money better obviously, but not a bad novelty purchase if you're a major BMW fan with a lot of cash to burn. I could see it both ways.

[solstice]

I stick with a prediction that the performance will be on par with the price for a euro car that is since the GT-R and Z06 are excluded of course

[RingMeister01]

After over a week I was wondering when this would show up on the forum. If the U.S. GTS is new to you its already to late to pick up a slot.

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

After over a week I was wondering when this would show up on the forum. If the U.S. GTS is new to you its already to late to pick up a slot.

NAILED IT.

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

NAILED IT.

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[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by solstice

I stick with a prediction that the performance will be on par with the price for a euro car that is since the GT-R and Z06 are excluded of course

Z06/z07 is fucking incredibly fantastic

on cups, its also fucking incredibly scary if its chilly, misty, or dimly lit

[19x]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

you think they are shedding 400-500lbs to get into the weight class of a gt3? you either are going to be deeply disappointed or need to reassess you expectations now.

No. That's not what I think. Not sure where you got that from.

I said the M4 GTS will certainly be closer in weight to the current GT3 than the C63 Black Series. Last I checked, the 991 GT3 weighs around 3,150 lbs. The current M4 is around 3,550 lbs.

It's pretty much a given that the M4 GTS will shed some weight. I realistically suspect 100 lbs, which would put it at 3,450-3,500 lbs. Let's see, that's roughly 300 lbs heavier than a GT3. Not sure where you got 400-500 lbs from.

The original point was that 3,450 is a lot closer to 3,150 than it is to nearly 4,000 lbs (the weight of the C63 Black Series).

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

I've been take aback by your expectations, just unrealistic.

You've yet to point out one such unrealistic expectation. Shall we only go by your classification of "realistic" under these circumstances?

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

at least 30-50% cheaper (because no gt3 leaves without options)

I never made such a claim.

I pointed out that the price is mere speculation and that it was relevant (to me) in the context of a GT3. The base price of a GT3 is $130,400. I don't care how many options you can choose to add on. The point is I am going by the base price of both cars.

Factoring in options on the GT3 to make it sound more expensive is childish. Who's to say the M4 GTS won't have performance options that make it configurable from $100k to $150k?

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

within the weight class of a gt3 (400-500lbs of magic weight savings)

Oh, so you don't know the curb weight of the current GT3? - Well, it's 3,153 lbs.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

more power (I'm assuming this one, correct me if I'm wrong)

Yes, you're wrong. I never said that.

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

faster around a track (which is again taking a sedan/coupe chassis to above and beyond the level of a dedicated bespoke sports car chassis)

Nope, try again.

[RingMeister01]

Euro pricing is a pointless comparison. Think GT3 price range (its main target).

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by camber

No. That's not what I think. Not sure where you got that from.

I said the M4 GTS will certainly be closer in weight to the current GT3 than the C63 Black Series. Last I checked, the 991 GT3 weighs around 3,150 lbs. The current M4 is around 3,550 lbs.

It's pretty much a given that the M4 GTS will shed some weight. I realistically suspect 100 lbs, which would put it at 3,450-3,500 lbs. Let's see, that's roughly 300 lbs heavier than a GT3. Not sure where you got 400-500 lbs from.

The original point was that 3,450 is a lot closer to 3,150 than it is to nearly 4,000 lbs (the weight of the C63 Black Series).



You've yet to point out one such unrealistic expectation. Shall we only go by your classification of "realistic" under these circumstances?



I never made such a claim.

I pointed out that the price is mere speculation and that it was relevant (to me) in the context of a GT3. The base price of a GT3 is $130,400. I don't care how many options you can choose to add on. The point is I am going by the base price of both cars.

Factoring in options on the GT3 to make it sound more expensive is childish. Who's to say the M4 GTS won't have performance options that make it configurable from $100k to $150k?



Oh, so you don't know the curb weight of the current GT3? - Well, it's 3,153 lbs.



Yes, you're wrong. I never said that.



Nope, try again.

OOOO i can break down your quotes also, this is gonna be fun

Originally Posted by camber

This means it will be available in the US! Can't wait!

I think that even at or slightly above $100k, this car is worth getting. I presume the M4 GTS will be on par with the 991 GT3, which costs considerably more.

Of course I'm assuming the M4 GTS will cost $20-30k less than a GT3. Otherwise, it's a moot point. At a similar price range, I would take the GT3 over the M4 GTS all day long.

Originally Posted by camber

I never made such a claim.

thats where i got the price from. where you said that you think that even at or slightly above $100k it would be getting because it would be on par with a 991 gt3.

in which you conceded that a gt3 costs CONSIDERABLY more.

im not gonna argue as to the number of lbs between a gt3 and where a m3 is vs where a C63BS is

but the difference between a c63bs and a m3 dct is 340lbs

a m3 dct and a gt3 is 445.

95lbs difference in weight disparity, which id venture to guess is the point that thats what would be difference between m3/4 gts vs m3/4

also, are you saying there won't be a difference in horsepower now? brave assumption imho.


you know what, educate me, what do you expect this to be, that it would be on par with a 991 gt3.

[Alumac]

Originally Posted by camber

No. That's not what I think. Not sure where you got that from.

I said the M4 GTS will certainly be closer in weight to the current GT3 than the C63 Black Series. Last I checked, the 991 GT3 weighs around 3,150 lbs. The current M4 is around 3,550 lbs.

It's pretty much a given that the M4 GTS will shed some weight. I realistically suspect 100 lbs, which would put it at 3,450-3,500 lbs. Let's see, that's roughly 300 lbs heavier than a GT3. Not sure where you got 400-500 lbs from.

The original point was that 3,450 is a lot closer to 3,150 than it is to nearly 4,000 lbs (the weight of the C63 Black Series).



You've yet to point out one such unrealistic expectation. Shall we only go by your classification of "realistic" under these circumstances?



I never made such a claim.

I pointed out that the price is mere speculation and that it was relevant (to me) in the context of a GT3. The base price of a GT3 is $130,400. I don't care how many options you can choose to add on. The point is I am going by the base price of both cars.

Factoring in options on the GT3 to make it sound more expensive is childish. Who's to say the M4 GTS won't have performance options that make it configurable from $100k to $150k?



Oh, so you don't know the curb weight of the current GT3? - Well, it's 3,153 lbs.



Yes, you're wrong. I never said that.



Nope, try again.

Just stop. You made a stupid comparison with a Porsche.

Originally Posted by camber

Both are 2 door coupes built to haul ass on the street and at the track. Both will presumably have a similar power output and price. Both are German-made and with similar refinement.

Can't get any more similar than that.

[04RC51]

Lets argue about a car we know nothing about! Whooops, too late.

Par for the forum! People who have no interest in buying/ordering the car going at each others' throats about its specs before they are announced. Stay classy!

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by Alumac

Just stop. You made a stupid comparison with a Porsche.

you know what, i should have stopped with just that.

mistakes were made.