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Did you snap a selfie of yourself saying that?
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Both cars with equal power to weight, I'd put my money on the GT3. .4 seconds on hockenheim may not sound like a lot of time, but on a lap that short, it's significant. Just like a 1 second gap on a 2-3 min circuit would be a big difference. Overall I'd say the GT3 and the RS even more so are the more special fees. Just food for thought, a regular 911 turbo, which is heavier than the GTS and only 520 hp does Hockenheim in 1:08.7. Last edited by Motorsportenterprise; 06-13-2016 at 04:03 PM.. |
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Anyway, we are closing the gap! The M4 was targeted at the Carrera S and it was successful. The GTS was aimed at the GT3 and a great job was done.
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It is also noteworthy that only 1 lap was done. Joerg went out with cold tire for the first few corners. He had to wait until traffic was clear and did this with 40Kilos of test equipment in trunk. No dialing of suspension or Aero. Still a solid time.
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Don't confuse with what is called the "short engine" that includes way more than just the "block"; other components could explain the difference
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That a 991 Turbo, with 20hp more than the GTS and a lower center of gravity, is lapping faster than the GT3 and GTS around Hockenheim just shows what a great base car the 991 is. But it's hardly surprising that a car with 520hp can beat a 500hp car, especially when the higher hp car has some design advantages to begin with (one is a sports car while the other is a coupe based on a 3-4 series family sedan/coupe). |
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Let's face it, the GTS is an RS competitor and doesn't quite match a regular GT3 even though the GT3 is several years old and ready for a refresh compared to a just released M4 GTS. I don't think the M4 was targeted as a Carrera S either, very different markets and buyers. Demographic there is really worlds apart. And the M4 isn't close when it comes to lap times in comparison. Again, not the same buyers is more the rule than exception. Last edited by Motorsportenterprise; 06-13-2016 at 04:23 PM.. |
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My point with the 911 turbo was it has similar power of you believe the GTS only makes 500 and more weight yet is a lot faster because the torque makes a difference. EOD I'd take a GT3 or RS given wnat they have over an M4 GTS but the GTS did bring a good car overall car. |
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Nothing but respect for the GTS, but I'd take a GT3 every single day of the week over the GTS.
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From performance perspective the Carrera S was the focus. 7:52 M4 7:50 Carrera S
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http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1270153 It's at the "clutch" . Not quite sure how a Dynojet does that, might be some sort of extrapolation based on rundown time, but it is not whp.
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This review should've compared a ZCP M4 to the GT3 and the GTS to a GT3 RS. What's the point in taking the top model of one car versus the 'base' of another?
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I just wanted to dispel that on-going rumor about a bespoke bedplate for the CP and GTS . From my various readings, I suspect the oil pan is different on the GTS to improve high-g oil pick-up. The GTS oil pan part number is not listed in RealOEM. That could be one of the differences.
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Carrera -> M4 Carrera S -> M4 CP GT3 -> M4 GTS GT3 RS -> CSL ...leaving the AWD models out of the picture.
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