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And as I said, this is unlikely in real life. That's where the marketing gimmick lies. It's a far cry from the true 40:60 quattro split in my wife's previous B7 S4. A simple dab of throttle in the snow would send th car in a nice sideways drift.
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03-06-2018, 07:53 AM | #134 | |
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If you read reviews of second generation the TT RS, they cover the new Haldex system in that car, and emphasize the improvements. Now, I don't know whether the RS3 was the benefactor of that hardware or not, and if it was, whether it was programmed to behave the same way. But it seems somewhat likely, and seems worthy of investigation before drawing any conclusions about the newer vehicles' behavior based on your experience with the outgoing model. |
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I often read that a Haldex is limited between a 100:0 to 50:50 F:R torque split because of this. And this is not accurate, simply because torque transfer is dependent on resistance. Less resistance means less torque transfer. When the center Haldex clutch pack is locked, it is the rotational speed that is locked between the axles, not the amount of torque transfered. For instance, on a hard launch, if there is only 30% of weight on the front wheels, they cannot take more than 30% of the torque, otherwise they would spin. Since the rotational speed of the front and rear axles are locked together, the front cannot spin any faster than the rear, hence more torque is transferred to the rear axle. Not through clever electronics nor trick diffs, just through simple physics. This becomes tricky when the grip between the front right and left wheels is unequal. Since the front axle relies on an open diff, there could be a side-to-side speed difference with one wheel slipping. However, the open diff relies on brake application to prevent this, so the spinning front wheel will be braked to transfer power to the other side. I believe that is what we see in the video of post #118, where the small amout of observed intermitent front wheel slip is the result of the e-diff managing traction between the two front wheels. However, applying the brakes offers an added resistance on the front axle, which in turn robs torque from the rear axle, which is not ideal. Now, during cornering, when the front wheels have about the same amount of grip than the rears, that is where a Haldex system falls short. It cannot send more than 50% of the torque reward to yield power oversteer. Something a true Torsen Quattro system can.
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I am pretty sure the wider lower profile 255/30 front summer tires will help even more balance the handling. 235 tires aren't that narrow. My 2001 M3 had 225 front tires. My wife heavy as a pig 2006 S4 had 235 all around. The RS3 corners pretty flat, but I can't say it rolls any less than my M4 (my M4 does ride on Eibachs though).
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Do you know if rs3 differentials have enough cooling for track usage? Or will it be like the focus rs that needs aftermarket coolers?
I get that isn't the use case you purchased it for, but I'm always curious for performance street cars how much is marketing vs how much is actual capability Anyone coming to rs3 from a modified evo or sti? |
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I built a 300awkw Evo x, fbo inc high flow turbo and full dodson trans on ohlins dfv's The rs3 has nothing on it, it's laughable to even compare the 2 awd systems and chassis, sorry to offend any Audi fanboys Where the Audi shines is in build quality, daily comfort and engine sound Look at the cornering speed difference compared to my rs3 vid above, the evo was a 10/10ths car |
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I used to have Evo 8 and Evo IX MR. (Shouldn't have sold the second one!!) They were fun cars. Much more raw than stuff being put out nowadays.
Thanks for posting that vid. Fun stuff. But man - I'm not used to driving on "the wrong side" of the road (haha). The first time a car passed you going the other way, my heart jumped - oh snap accident coming!! hahaha
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Not really. An aging stock appearance 2015 M4 isn't as cool as the brand new RS3 parked next to it. Plus an RS model is pretty rare. Ask 10 car enthusiasts which of the parked car they want to take for a spin around the block and most would probably pick the RS3.
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In that one picture which cuts off half the very dirty BMW with his winter tire setup? Sure the Audi looks nicer in that one isolated picture but in the real world an F80 looks way more aggressive and sharper. Not even close in fact. The Audi doesn't even have fender flares and looks like every other Audi on the road which isn't a new design by any means. I would also disagree with that hypothetical. R8 sure, hell even an older RS4 carries more respect/desire than a new RS3. Besides rarity how is the Rs3 more badass? If anything the F80 is way more badass in that its advantages are primarily on the track for serious hardcore enthusiasts (better cooling, chassis balance, better brakes, handling etc). The things the Audi does better are for 6th/10th's driving, more for the casual driver. Doesn't make any sense. Calling a FWD based haldex car "badass" without fender flares, no real styling cues to look special, and not a superstar on the track seems odd to me. Hell its not even that fast in the big picture. Sorry I don't see how its badass exactly. Cool, yeah, very capable sure... Last edited by neilum; 03-07-2018 at 05:26 PM.. |
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The RS3 is a cool, capable car. But there's no way that I would trade/sell the M4 to get the RS3. So... that tells you my perspective.
Granted, a buyer of a new RS3 can afford an M4 (at least used), so the two cars are competing with each other, even if they are very different.
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So I had a stage 2 S3 and had an RS3 on order, which I then cancelled, and picked up a ZCP M3. I would choose the M3. It feels more special and has an aggressiveness that the Audis do not have. Audi is understated whereas M is "get out of my way or I will swallow you whole."
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rs3 is a way smaller car. a3 and 3 series cars are NOT the same. The audi's awd system is NOT light, so the rs3 isn't as light as it should be for a car that size. A4's and s4's are in line with the 3 series, but audi does not sell the m3 equivalent in the US (assuming you live here) which is the RS4 avant or the RS5 coupe. Those cars also weigh more than the m3 and m4
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However, the RS3 is not that heavy. At ~3550lb, it weighs about the same as an M2 or CLA45, which are in the same performance segment. Further, it is about the same size as our now gone B7 S4 that weighed 3800lb+. The Haldex AWD system in the RS3 is not as performance oriented as the true Torsen Quattro system, but it does weigh quite a bit less.
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So I was finally able to see the RS3 in the flesh, and to compare the visual aspects with my F80.
The RS3 really does look nice on its own, and surrounded by other Audis. But in comparison to the F80, it does come across as much more tame and potentially boring. I still like many of the visual aspects, but not enough to buy the car. We added an M2 to the stable instead.
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