FXX DME Unlock via OBD has arrived (allegedly)

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by Dippydo

Add to this, does this affect the warranty?

Why are we continuing to inquire about warranty coverage with this type of modification? Assume that if you unlock and flash the DME your warranty will not be honored in the event of a catastrophic failure or any engine/transmission related failure...period, full stop. Even if they told you 'yes, your warranty will remain intact' would you believe them?

[Celestion]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Why are we continuing to inquire about warranty coverage with this type of modification? Assume that if you unlock and flash the DME your warranty will not be honored in the event of a catastrophic failure or any engine/transmission related failure...period, full stop. Even if they told you 'yes, your warranty will remain intact' would you believe them?

I’d assume your warranty is void with this mod, but there may be a valid legal defense for maintaining the warranty. Supposedly, “the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” In theory an unmodified ZCP firmware shouldn’t be the cause of an engine failure.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by Celestion

I’d assume you warranty is void with this mod, but there may be a valid legal defense for maintaining the warranty. Supposedly, “the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.” In theory an unmodified ZCP firmware shouldn’t be the cause of an engine failure.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. We tend to go round and round on this and I'm still a bit perplexed when people continue to pose the question, "Will this void my warranty?"

[euro*]

interested to see if this is true

[Dippydo]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Why are we continuing to inquire about warranty coverage with this type of modification? Assume that if you unlock and flash the DME your warranty will not be honored in the event of a catastrophic failure or any engine/transmission related failure...period, full stop. Even if they told you 'yes, your warranty will remain intact' would you believe them?

Just chill, not all of us are as educated as you are or up to date on the latest coding and what it affects and what it does not. Simple coding does not change the warranty, but if this coding affects the power band or changes the driving dynamics then yes that would be a big no. Not knowing the full scope of the coding mentioned above leaves that open to raise the question. I get your angle, any changes from factory specs will void the warranty, but that is not true as noted above.

[kabrichx]

Originally Posted by Celestion

There are no physical changes associated with ZCP powerbump and given that you are installing an OEM firmware, there may be a legal argument for a ZCP flash to maintain the warranty. Undoubtedly though, BMW would still try deny your warranty unless you sued them...

So if I replaced a F3x N55 engine with a F8x S55, using your logic, BMW would honor warranty as BMW made both of them.

Likewise, if I put diesel in the fuel tank, BMW should honor warranty as BMW also makes Diesel engines.

[Clark_Kent]

I thought BP would find this interesting. I reached out to the FSC e-mail address (from the website) as soon as this thread was posted with the following inquiry:

Hi,

I saw your post on Instagram regarding "chip tuning without opening ECU by remote connection." Can you provide additional details? What is the cost? What kind of power gains should I expect? Can you provide dynomometer graphs charting gains? Are there multiple maps that I can select from? How long does the process take? Can I flash it myself for different maps? Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
ck

I received a response moments ago with the following:

Hello
I need remote connection to car by ENET cable. Need the voltage charge and good internet.
Stage1 -580ps 756Nm, 1000eur, Stage2 -643ps 820NM(downpipe need), 1400eur

[franzzz]

580ps ???????

Very high power.....

Nothing in the range 450-480?

Fsc code for ZMA ?

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by Dippydo

Just chill, not all of us are as educated as you are or up to date on the latest coding and what it affects and what it does not. Simple coding does not change the warranty, but if this coding affects the power band or changes the driving dynamics then yes that would be a big no. Not knowing the full scope of the coding mentioned above leaves that open to raise the question. I get your angle, any changes from factory specs will void the warranty, but that is not true as noted above.

You're wrong. "Simple coding" can and will void your warranty at the dealer and BMW's discretion. You are altering the parameters of your ECU which, if not done properly, can have catastrophic consequences.

[Clark_Kent]

Originally Posted by franzzz

580ps ???????

Very high power.....

Nothing in the range 450-480?

Fsc code for ZMA ?

I'm assuming that's mechanical horsepower measured at the crank and not whp.

[pnoyse84]

Just seen this too

[Celestion]

Originally Posted by kabrichx

So if I replaced a F3x N55 engine with a F8x S55, using your logic, BMW would honor warranty as BMW made both of them.

Likewise, if I put diesel in the fuel tank, BMW should honor warranty as BMW also makes Diesel engines.

For very obvious reasons, that is not a rational extension of my logic.
1. The list of physical differences between the F3x and F8x powertrain is extensive. My argument is predicated on the complete lack of any physical difference between the ZCP and non-ZCP powertrains.
2. Our engines were not designed to run diesel fuel. The same S55 engine was designed to run both the ZCP and non-ZCP firmware.
3. The only difference between ZCP and non-ZCP cars is the labeling. These two cars are mechanically identical. Using the ZCP firmware in a non-ZCP labeled car is materially equivalent to using it in a ZCP labeled car.

BMW would likely deny any warranty claims for this free upgrade; but their legal standing to do so is weak IMO.

[BuLoOoSki]

Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

I thought BP would find this interesting. I reached out to the FSC e-mail address (from the website) as soon as this thread was posted with the following inquiry:

Hi,

I saw your post on Instagram regarding "chip tuning without opening ECU by remote connection." Can you provide additional details? What is the cost? What kind of power gains should I expect? Can you provide dynomometer graphs charting gains? Are there multiple maps that I can select from? How long does the process take? Can I flash it myself for different maps? Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
ck

I received a response moments ago with the following:

Hello
I need remote connection to car by ENET cable. Need the voltage charge and good internet.
Stage1 -580ps 756Nm, 1000eur, Stage2 -643ps 820NM(downpipe need), 1400eur

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go and call complete BS on their HP claims. Makes me question the legitimacy of this as a whole.

[Celestion]

Originally Posted by BuLoOoSki

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go and call complete BS on their HP claims. Makes me question the legitimacy of this as a whole.

Yeah their gains skate a little beyond the edge of believability IMO.

[chewbakam4]

Stage 3 704 ps. Legit!

[Jaymax85]

Bottom line is if u write to ur ecu, bmw can see it and u risk voiding warranty

[LongBeachDinanFan]

Subscribed. Glad I didn't waste time and money removing my ECU yet. Piggyback here until Cobb or MHD make a legit load at home flash map.

[SanchoDivine]

I'm not getting my hopes up. I assume that if this is real we would have seen a lot more post about it to include videos and other proof. Maybe we'll see those soon?

[CloudVIII]

@CaryTheLabelGuy thoughts?

[tottoro]

lol why are you guys debating if it will void warranty when you dont even know if this source is legit. It would be great if it was but before then i would worry on what im gonna eat later instead of any warranty issues. =)

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Celestion

There are no physical changes associated with ZCP powerbump and given that you are installing an OEM firmware, there may be a legal argument for a ZCP flash to maintain the warranty. Undoubtedly though, BMW would still try deny your warranty unless you sued them...

You mean except for the bedplate change bmw put in the release documents of zcp but is now supposedly in all cars past a certain point in 2016.

[Dippydo]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

You're wrong. "Simple coding" can and will void your warranty at the dealer and BMW's discretion. You are altering the parameters of your ECU which, if not done properly, can have catastrophic consequences.

Well I have never met anyone that had their warranty denied including myself in all my years for coding folding mirrors or seat belt chime delete, etc etc etc. Anyhow, we will go on....