Pressing start button twice to shut down car

[bb1857]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Right, it's all BMW's without the key slot in the dash, which is essentially all of those with an Fnn chassis code.



No - I don't have Comfort Access and I still must press the button twice (or, as covered above, press once, then lock the doors) to turn everything off.

Cool, thanks. I haven't had a car without comfort access in a while so i thought that might be it. Thanks for the clarification

[kinimod]

Pull in to the parking spot as if you'd do with any car. Keep your foot on the brake pedal as if you'd do with any automatic-transmission car.

Press the Engine button.

Leave car.

Lock the car or don't lock your car, whatever you prefer.

How is this different than ANY BMW on the market right now? It's been like this for a long time.

People put the car into neutral. Why? Has any car manufacturer ever instructed its users to put the transmission into neural before switching off the engine? Of course not. They instructed to engage into Park mode. Does F8x have a way to engage Park mode by hand? No. So don't put it into neutral.

And how does it matter if the electronics are still on? Why would anyone care? They will turn off automatically. It's like when e.g the engine cooling fan stays on in warm climates. Just leave it to do what it's designed to do and don't worry about it. And if you're paranoid you can just press the button again. The advantage is that you can keep using the electronics if you intend to sit in the car, e.g. when waiting for someone.

The behavior makes sense as we didn't use to care about burning fuel and emitting CO2 before, and cars didn't have much of electronics or entertainment systems that could be turned off in first place. Today, we do care about environment and we have cars with computers and entertainment that are useful while the engine is off, e.g. while waiting for passengers.

First world problems.

[myzmak]

OMG

I can't even believe the pain that we must be going through here.

I mean, pushing a button twice? (or once, really, given you have to lock the door....)

C'mon BMW, I was expecting a high performance car here but what is this, the dark ages?

What next, will I have to steer the thing myself?

Will I not be able to drive and text at the same time?

I mean, COME THE FUQ ON HERE!!!!!

AMIRIGHT? :mad0 260:: mad0260::mad02 60:

Anyway, only solutions are:

(1) Lemon it
(2) Sue BMW
(3) Demand they give you an i8 in replacement
(4) Sue when they don't
(5) Write every member of congress you can think of
(6) Chain yourself to the BMW Factory until they rethink these barbaric cultural practices
(7) two words: starvation protest.

I guarantee that with the above plan, all will be solved in no time.

[Agamemnon]

One of the pleasant surprises I had when going from my 2013 335 to my 2016 M3 zcp was the coding on the start button. On my M3' the auto start stop is coded off! So that is one less button to push on start up. Not sure if it came from BMW like this or if my dealer did it at PDI. I hate auto start stop. I only use it in border lineups. Hate it anywhere else. Probably because I am old and it just feels like the car stalled. Just can not wrap my mind around it.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by (((myzmak)))

OMG

I can't even believe the pain that we must be going through here.

I mean, pushing a button twice? (or once, really, given you have to lock the door....)

C'mon BMW, I was expecting a high performance car here but what is this, the dark ages?

What next, will I have to steer the thing myself?

Will I not be able to drive and text at the same time?

I mean, COME THE FUQ ON HERE!!!!!

AMIRIGHT? :mad0 260:: mad0260::mad02 60:

Anyway, only solutions are:

(1) Lemon it
(2) Sue BMW
(3) Demand they give you an i8 in replacement
(4) Sue when they don't
(5) Write every member of congress you can think of
(6) Chain yourself to the BMW Factory until they rethink these barbaric cultural practices
(7) two words: starvation protest.

I guarantee that with the above plan, all will be solved in no time.

I'm sensing you're not taking this seriously.

I always felt like the start button was a bit stiff, and because of this, my right index finger has developed muscle growth the left hand was not experiencing. Because of this my promising career as a hand model was at risk, so I had to give up the car.

If only we could by suing handle this, but I am sure some guy somewhere won't feel like this is a real issue, and just laughs this off. Because of people like these jokers us all have to experience these inconveniences.

Go back to Canada myz and stop commenting in life changing shit as this is. You've lost your grasp on real life and what we little people go through daily.

Op: I'm with you! This is a horrible thing and Bmw should be sued for it!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Right, it's all BMW's without the key slot in the dash, which is essentially all of those with an Fnn chassis code.



No - I don't have Comfort Access and I still must press the button twice (or, as covered above, press once, then lock the doors) to turn everything off.

Even if we forget your issue with us (me) going ot, god I love you kicking our arses.

Try ssott. You'll totally fit in and we as said need supervision.

[hlothery]

Originally Posted by Lups

I'm sensing you're not taking this seriously.

I always felt like the start button was a bit stiff, and because of this, my right index finger has developed muscle growth the left hand was not experiencing. Because of this my promising career as a hand model was at risk, so I had to give up the car.

If only we could by suing handle this, but I am sure some guy somewhere won't feel like this is a real issue, and just laughs this off. Because of people like these jokers us all have to experience these inconveniences.

Go back to Canada myz and stop commenting in life changing shit as this is. You've lost your grasp on real life and what we little people go through daily.

Op: I'm with you! This is a horrible thing and Bmw should be sued for it!

Laughing so hard!!!! Finger muscle hypertrophy! Oh the horror! This thread should go on ESPN, Come on, Man!

OK, I'm done.

[Arcades]

You know, you should also tag people with F30s because they also have to do this double button press thing

[NewM3driver]

Originally Posted by paliknight

The car shuts off after 10 minutes or so regardless.

lol I know

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Lups

I'm sensing you're not taking this seriously.

I always felt like the start button was a bit stiff, and because of this, my right index finger has developed muscle growth the left hand was not experiencing. Because of this my promising career as a hand model was at risk, so I had to give up the car.

If only we could by suing handle this, but I am sure some guy somewhere won't feel like this is a real issue, and just laughs this off. Because of people like these jokers us all have to experience these inconveniences.

Go back to Canada myz and stop commenting in life changing shit as this is. You've lost your grasp on real life and what we little people go through daily.

Op: I'm with you! This is a horrible thing and Bmw should be sued for it!

It's true. I'm just a Canadian elitist with an oddly overmuscled right index finger....

Might I suggest a good lawyer for your finger model lawsuit?

[BMWM3Rules]

BMW/German engineers usually have everything well thought out. I still cannot find a reason why one would want to push a button twice to turn the car off.

If you have a conventional key, when you turn the key counter-clockwise to turn it off, it turns off in one motion. You don't have to turn the key half way, then turn it again to turn it off and get the key out.

Every other car company's push button ignition turns off in one click. Why would BMW think it would be good to click it twice?

I also have a beef with the DCT stick. Why not have the usual PRND lever like any other automatic? It's an automatic (despite being dual clutches). In other BMW's there's a separate button for PARK. The DCT deletes this Park button. So if you accidentally push the button to turn it off while in Neutral, you're screwed. It won't let you turn it off or lock the car. You have to start it again, shift it in gear then shut it off again.

I know these guys are super smart but what the hell???

Paul

[AlterZgo]

Originally Posted by BMWM3Rules

BMW/German engineers usually have everything well thought out. I still cannot find a reason why one would want to push a button twice to turn the car off.

If you have a conventional key, when you turn the key counter-clockwise to turn it off, it turns off in one motion. You don't have to turn the key half way, then turn it again to turn it off and get the key out.

Every other car company's push button ignition turns off in one click. Why would BMW think it would be good to click it twice?

I also have a beef with the DCT stick. Why not have the usual PRND lever like any other automatic? It's an automatic (despite being dual clutches). In other BMW's there's a separate button for PARK. The DCT deletes this Park button. So if you accidentally push the button to turn it off while in Neutral, you're screwed. It won't let you turn it off or lock the car. You have to start it again, shift it in gear then shut it off again.

I know these guys are super smart but what the hell???

Paul

LOL. I'm with you. The irony of your post though... you start off by saying these German engineers usually have things well thought out... then go on to give several examples of how they actually don't.

IMO, I think the German engineers are too clever. They overthink solutions. For example:

1. Climate control - WTF is up with 2 separate thermostats? One for targeted temp and another for how hot or cold you want the air to blow to get to the temp. People have come up w/ ridiculous explanations, none of which holds true to reality of how the system works. I have found that the dial and the temp control are simply 2 separate thermostats. One does not level out the other at all. Regardless of how the temp is set on one or the other, it blows the same temp air the whole time. I could have the temp set to 80 degrees. If I have the dial turned down all the way to cold, it will blow cold ass air forever and vice versa.

2. The nav system. You enter an address, then it asks several more times... something along the lines of "Is this the correct address"? Yes. "Do you want directions to this address?" Yes. "Do you want to start directions now?" WTF do you think???? I just nearly ran over some pedestrians in the street trying to input this long ass address just so I could NOT go there???? WTF BMW????

I'm sure there's some back-assward "German" logic that made sense to these clever engineers as to why you need to answer yes several times to get nav directions once an address is entered. It's likely similar to the logic for having 2 thermostats - a solution to a problem no one ever thought about or asked for.

[sandjam]

Originally Posted by BMWM3Rules

BMW/German engineers usually have everything well thought out. I still cannot find a reason why one would want to push a button twice to turn the car off.

If you have a conventional key, when you turn the key counter-clockwise to turn it off, it turns off in one motion. You don't have to turn the key half way, then turn it again to turn it off and get the key out.

Every other car company's push button ignition turns off in one click. Why would BMW think it would be good to click it twice?

I also have a beef with the DCT stick. Why not have the usual PRND lever like any other automatic? It's an automatic (despite being dual clutches). In other BMW's there's a separate button for PARK. The DCT deletes this Park button. So if you accidentally push the button to turn it off while in Neutral, you're screwed. It won't let you turn it off or lock the car. You have to start it again, shift it in gear then shut it off again.

I know these guys are super smart but what the hell???

Paul

Why would you want another button to put it in park. You were just complaining you had to push the Start button twice, now you want to push yet another button?

There is no reason at all to put it in Neutral. This is driver error.

Come to a stop, leave it in gear, stop car and walk away. Its actually much more convenient.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by sandjam

Why would you want another button to put it in park.

One reason is to avoid user error when someone else drives your car and they are unfamiliar with what to do without a "Park" setting. Park doesn't require another button. It's a setting / DCT shift position familiar to the general public.

[sandjam]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

One reason is to avoid user error when someone else drives your car and they are unfamiliar with what to do without a "Park" setting. Park doesn't require another button. It's a setting / DCT shift position familiar to the general public.

Well if someone unfamiliar with these cars drives it, you would need to tell them what to do anyway (like apply parking brake) and how to actually operate a DCT to begin with. Park button is not necessary on these cars.

[330cibimmer]

I understand how some people would like the park option available. It's a bit annoying to have to turn the ignition off to put it in park if you just want to get out of the car to get something without having to turn the car off. I just don't trust it in neutral as it actually can roll off even if you have the hand brake on

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by sandjam

Well if someone unfamiliar with these cars drives it, you would need to tell them what to do anyway (like apply parking brake) and how to actually operate a DCT to begin with. Park button is not necessary on these cars.

You asked a question and got an answer. And no one asked for a "park button" as I pointed out earlier.

[BMWM5NYC]

Originally Posted by 330cibimmer

I understand how some people would like the park option available. It's a bit annoying to have to turn the ignition off to put it in park if you just want to get out of the car to get something without having to turn the car off. I just don't trust it in neutral as it actually can roll off even if you have the hand brake on

The DCT is Manual with an auto option. In a Manual you leave the car in Neutral with the parking brake on, it you want to leave the car running when you exit. It is the same principle. People keep making the mistake thinking that the DCT is more like an Automatic. It is not. Think of the DCT as a manual with an auto mode and everything becomes much more simple to understand.

[330cibimmer]

Originally Posted by BMWM5NYC

The DCT is Manual with an auto option. In a Manual you leave the car in Neutral with the parking brake on, it you want to leave the car running when you exit. It is the same principle. People keep making the mistake thinking that the DCT is more like an Automatic. It is not. Think of the DCT as a manual with an auto mode and everything becomes much more simple to understand.

Never thought of it that way. Haha. That makes a lot more sense..

[hlothery]

The disgusting irony is that,now that I am a totally indoctrinated and coolaid drinking BMW automaton, the other cars I regularly drive like my wife's E350 and my son's F150 , keep turning back on when I am trying to stop them! We need government regulation to solve this issue before I have to actually think about what I am doing! (I love this thread!).

[hl0m4n]

coming from an 13 m3, i only had to push the start button once (electronics still on) leave the car and turn off by comfort access or key.

taking delivery of my 17 m4, it seems i can no longer do this? when i push the button once (electronics still on) i exit car and try to lock with comfort access or key the car just honks.

i can only turn off the car by pushing & holding the button until all electronics are off or by pushing the start button twice.

just want to make sure this is correct and i am not crazy .

[dzu]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

coming from an 13 m3, i only had to push the start button once (electronics still on) leave the car and turn off by comfort access or key.

taking delivery of my 17 m4, it seems i can no longer do this? when i push the button once (electronics still on) i exit car and try to lock with comfort access or key the car just honks.

i can only turn off the car by pushing & holding the button until all electronics are off or by pushing the start button twice.

just want to make sure this is correct and i am not crazy .

Leave it in D or R , and you need to push only once. In N, you have to push twice