Hello BMW!!! F80/82 M3/M4 Weight...LESS WEIGHT PLEASE!!

[mastek]

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So the bmwusa.com website is posting these "curb weights" as of 4/2/2014

M3
- 3595 DCT
- 3540 6MT

M4
- 3585 DCT
- 3530 6MT

Really?? There is a perfect TEN pounds between the cars? lol

I really want to buy these cars.... but I REALLY want them to weigh less then 3,000 lbs
BMW could have released the next gen M3 with the same S65 engine and dropped 800 lbs. and the performance AND MPG would have gone UP and they could have charged me MORE for LESS ....and my dumbass ///M brander for life would have paid.

What gives??
This car was supposed to be lighter then an e46m3, no?
Ideally, it should be lighter then an e36m3.

I don't care about NAVI, BMW Assist, Apps, Power Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, ... I dont want 8 computers correcting my driving.
I dont want self-parking or lane departure = are they selling M3s to the senior citizen demographic now?

Give me a bare bones M3/4 that weighs 3,000 lbs, has 360+ hp to the wheels, a light yet full of feedback steering feel, a neutral chassis with a touch of oversteer, a diff that makes sense at the track, brakes that will not fade after 10 repeated hard stops and bring the car down from 60 mph in 100 ft, seats that hold my fat american ass in place during 1.2 G lateral, HUD that tells me RPM and MPH, How about a 2-way Coilover Kit from the factory (Ya, like Ferrari does) and either a 6 speed that shifts like a Honda S2000 with a proper SSK or a DCT that shifts faster then the F10M5.

Release a "special edition" "CSL" "Lightweight" ....I dont care what you call it....stop building these bloated 3500 lbs. M3, 4300 lbs. M5 and 5000+ lbs. X5s and calling them "efficient dynamic" ///M cars,....you are better then this Mr. ///M Engineer. And frankly, it is an insult to lightweight M for Motorsport Engineering.

It's got a Carbon Fiber roof for crying out loud !!
How did they engineer in a Carbon Fiber roof and driveshaft for lightweight and then decide to put 14 computers and whatever else that makes this car heavy?
Is it the F3x chassis? Was it a heavy chassis to begin with and no CF roof or Driveshaft was ever going to help this??
Can we drill some holes in it to lighten it?

I am pissed... I was really hoping for 3300 lbs at the least

[Patronus86]

I saw that on the BMW website too. So i guess this forum got bad info, because the official specs sticky listed the M4 for about 3300lb's. Well the M4 really isn't going to be all that much lighter than the old M3. So much for the weight savings...

[CanAutM3]

The BMW USA site seems full of errors regarding the M3/4. I would not take any of those numbers for granted.

The official release from BMW state that the M3 is 50lb heavier than the M4, that the DCT is 89lb heavier than the 6MT. Both these numbers do not correlate with what is published on the US site.

Less than 3000lb? Where have you been for the last months? The 3300lb number has been out there for quite a while...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

I saw that on the BMW website too. So i guess this forum got bad info, because the official specs sticky listed the M4 for about 3300lb's. Well the M4 really isn't going to be all that much lighter than the old M3. So much for the weight savings...

The BWM US site is full of errors...

[Black Gold]

That plus the old e92 was listed as 3704 lbs on BMW website, and it was weighed in less optioned form by many magazines at closer to 3540

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The BWM US site is full of errors...

Do you work for BMW?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Do you work for BMW?

I don't. But I have been following the launch of these cars quite closely and read the BMW official releases.

The most obvious error on the US site: the F8X has a V6 If they can screw that up, I don't trust any other info they have on there...

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I don't. But I have been following the launch of these cars quite closely and read the BMW official releases.

The most obvious error on the US site: the F8X has a V6 If they can screw that up, I don't trust any other info they have on there...

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

Do you have a link to the official BMW release that has the correct specs? If the specs on the official website are wrong, I don't know how/why someone can screw up something as simple as entering weight specs into a website.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Do you have a link to the official BMW release that has the correct specs? If the specs on the official website are wrong, I don't know how/why someone can screw up something as simple as entering weight specs into a website.

Go here

For the official BWM press release, scroll down to "Press Release" and press "Expand"

Here is another source for the EU press release.

Weight is 1497kg for the M4 (3300lb)

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by mastek

I really want to buy these cars.... but I REALLY want them to weigh less then 3,000 lbs...

But why stop at 3000 lbs? Why not want 2500 lbs? Or even 2000.

You can buy cars that hit any of those figures, by the way. But none of them - and I do mean not a single one - will have both the utility and price point of an M3 or M4.

Originally Posted by Patronus86

Do you have a link to the official BMW release that has the correct specs? If the specs on the official website are wrong, I don't know how/why someone can screw up something as simple as entering weight specs into a website.

Mistakes like this happen all of the time. Surely you can appreciate that.

If you want to see one in action, go to the M3 specs page on the BMW USA website and look at what type of engine they claim the car has... (Edit: sorry, missed that CAM3 had already pointed this out)

That being said, I do somewhat doubt that the four weight figures are all incorrect. As someone points out above, the E92 M3 was listed at 3704 lbs by BMW USA. So, the F82 M4 indeed sheds over 100 lbs of weight vs. it's predecessor when you compare apples to apples. M3 has similar weight loss as well (I can't remember what the E90 M3 was listed at - it was about 3726 lbs IIRC) Now, whether real-life weight comparisons will prove these numbers out remains to be seen.

[karussell]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I don't. But I have been following the launch of these cars quite closely and read the BMW official releases.

The most obvious error on the US site: the F8X has a V6 If they can screw that up, I don't trust any other info they have on there...

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

holy shit balls. i can't believe bmw usa would miss this. V6?
time to fire their PR company.

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Go here

For the official BWM press release, scroll down to "Press Release" and press "Expand"

Here is another source for the EU press release.

Weight is 1497kg for the M4 (3300lb)

The first link is just the forum's presentation of this stuff. The second link is online article, which by the way had the horsepower listed for 431hp, a bit different from the official 425hp listed.

I am open to the idea that BMW's website could be wrong, I'd just like to see an official BMW release that shows the weight specs.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

The first link is just the forum's presentation of this stuff. The second link is online article, which by the way had the horsepower listed for 431hp, a bit different from the official 425hp listed.

I am open to the idea that BMW's website could be wrong, I'd just like to see an official BMW release that shows the weight specs.

Both links I posted refer to the official press release.

BTW: 431ps DIN = 425hp SAE

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Both links I posted refer to the official press release.

BTW: 431ps DIN = 425hp SAE

this

canautm3 is legit, he is not misleading anyone

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Patronus86

The first link is just the forum's presentation of this stuff. The second link is online article, which by the way had the horsepower listed for 431hp, a bit different from the official 425hp listed.

I am open to the idea that BMW's website could be wrong, I'd just like to see an official BMW release that shows the weight specs.

431 is the DIN or metric horsepower used in Europe - which equates to 425 SAE horsepower used in the USA - so those figures are consistent.

[karussell]

to stick with bmw i think the only car that will come close to what you want is the M2. otherwise, find a 997.1 GT3. you will never complain about a sports car again. you got an M5 for the other days you want everything else modern bmw's give you. think of the M3/M4 as a lightweight M5. its grown up. nothing wrong with that. thats why they are making an M2.

Originally Posted by mastek

So the bmwusa.com website is posting these "curb weights" as of 4/2/2014

M3
- 3595 DCT
- 3540 6MT

M4
- 3585 DCT
- 3530 6MT

Really?? There is a perfect TEN pounds between the cars? lol

I really want to buy these cars.... but I REALLY want them to weigh less then 3,000 lbs
BMW could have released the next gen M3 with the same S65 engine and dropped 800 lbs. and the performance AND MPG would have gone UP and they could have charged me MORE for LESS ....and my dumbass ///M brander for life would have paid.

What gives??
This car was supposed to be lighter then an e46m3, no?
Ideally, it should be lighter then an e36m3.

I don't care about NAVI, BMW Assist, Apps, Power Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, ... I dont want 8 computers correcting my driving.
I dont want self-parking or lane departure = are they selling M3s to the senior citizen demographic now?

Give me a bare bones M3/4 that weighs 3,000 lbs, has 360+ hp to the wheels, a light yet full of feedback steering feel, a neutral chassis with a touch of oversteer, a diff that makes sense at the track, brakes that will not fade after 10 repeated hard stops and bring the car down from 60 mph in 100 ft, seats that hold my fat american ass in place during 1.2 G lateral, HUD that tells me RPM and MPH, How about a 2-way Coilover Kit from the factory (Ya, like Ferrari does) and either a 6 speed that shifts like a Honda S2000 with a proper SSK or a DCT that shifts faster then the F10M5.

Release a "special edition" "CSL" "Lightweight" ....I dont care what you call it....stop building these bloated 3500 lbs. M3, 4300 lbs. M5 and 5000+ lbs. X5s and calling them "efficient dynamic" ///M cars,....you are better then this Mr. ///M Engineer. And frankly, it is an insult to lightweight M for Motorsport Engineering.

It's got a Carbon Fiber roof for crying out loud !!
How did they engineer in a Carbon Fiber roof and driveshaft for lightweight and then decide to put 14 computers and whatever else that makes this car heavy?
Is it the F3x chassis? Was it a heavy chassis to begin with and no CF roof or Driveshaft was ever going to help this??
Can we drill some holes in it to lighten it?

I am pissed... I was really hoping for 3300 lbs at the least

[onatuesday]

It's also a possibility that the US spec weighs more than the euro spec. There was a lot of argument in this forum when the official weight was released way back when as to how that translates into US terms since they use different standards to weigh the car abroad. Plus safety feature differences.

If it's directionally lower than the e92 and about the same as the m235i that's good enough for me. The beauty of the M4/M3 is that it has all the luxury and comfort features to be a great and versatile daily driver which means it isn't going to weigh next to nothing. If you want a bare bones stripper M for the track just wait for the CSL version. And since they'll charge more money and give you less with such a version shouldn't you just buy a more track focused car to begin with (Porsche, Lotus, Alfa Romeo, Viper, etc)?

I'm personally more upset that with the substantial weight of the M4, it still doesn't include a backup cam as standard. By the way, backup cams are now officially mandated as standard on every new car in the US by 2018

[Patronus86]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Both links I posted refer to the official press release.

BTW: 431ps DIN = 425hp SAE

Yeah I saw that the official press release was referenced in both, I was asking if there was PDF or something put on BMW's website that had all this info listed. If it's a mistake, I'm sure the website will get fixed, so i'll wait to see.

Thanks for the clarification on the horsepower discrepancy. Up until now, I thought that hp was universally measured the same way...but that would be way too logical.

[ixse]

is this guy serious? less than 3000lb? you either wanna drive a tin can or a car with carbon fiber tub and body that cost over 6 figures.
please be realistic, even if its just a wish list lol. m3, m4 still has to do what regular 3,4 series do imcluding comfort. this is not a born hardcore race car

[GotEM4]

Originally Posted by mastek

So the bmwusa.com website is posting these "curb weights" as of 4/2/2014

M3
- 3595 DCT
- 3540 6MT

M4
- 3585 DCT
- 3530 6MT

Really?? There is a perfect TEN pounds between the cars? lol

I really want to buy these cars.... but I REALLY want them to weigh less then 3,000 lbs
BMW could have released the next gen M3 with the same S65 engine and dropped 800 lbs. and the performance AND MPG would have gone UP and they could have charged me MORE for LESS ....and my dumbass ///M brander for life would have paid.

What gives??
This car was supposed to be lighter then an e46m3, no?
Ideally, it should be lighter then an e36m3.

I don't care about NAVI, BMW Assist, Apps, Power Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, ... I dont want 8 computers correcting my driving.
I dont want self-parking or lane departure = are they selling M3s to the senior citizen demographic now?

Give me a bare bones M3/4 that weighs 3,000 lbs, has 360+ hp to the wheels, a light yet full of feedback steering feel, a neutral chassis with a touch of oversteer, a diff that makes sense at the track, brakes that will not fade after 10 repeated hard stops and bring the car down from 60 mph in 100 ft, seats that hold my fat american ass in place during 1.2 G lateral, HUD that tells me RPM and MPH, How about a 2-way Coilover Kit from the factory (Ya, like Ferrari does) and either a 6 speed that shifts like a Honda S2000 with a proper SSK or a DCT that shifts faster then the F10M5.

Release a "special edition" "CSL" "Lightweight" ....I dont care what you call it....stop building these bloated 3500 lbs. M3, 4300 lbs. M5 and 5000+ lbs. X5s and calling them "efficient dynamic" ///M cars,....you are better then this Mr. ///M Engineer. And frankly, it is an insult to lightweight M for Motorsport Engineering.

It's got a Carbon Fiber roof for crying out loud !!
How did they engineer in a Carbon Fiber roof and driveshaft for lightweight and then decide to put 14 computers and whatever else that makes this car heavy?
Is it the F3x chassis? Was it a heavy chassis to begin with and no CF roof or Driveshaft was ever going to help this??
Can we drill some holes in it to lighten it?

I am pissed... I was really hoping for 3300 lbs at the least

less than 3000lb.? You want a Yugo car then

[elitex]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But why stop at 3000 lbs? Why not want 2500 lbs? Or even 2000.

You can buy cars that hit any of those figures, by the way. But none of them - and I do mean not a single one - will have both the utility and price point of an M3 or M4.

Mistakes like this happen all of the time. Surely you can appreciate that.

If you want to see one in action, go to the M3 specs page on the BMW USA website and look at what type of engine they claim the car has... (Edit: sorry, missed that CAM3 had already pointed this out)

That being said, I do somewhat doubt that the four weight figures are all incorrect. As someone points out above, the E92 M3 was listed at 3704 lbs by BMW USA. So, the F82 M4 indeed sheds over 100 lbs of weight vs. it's predecessor when you compare apples to apples. M3 has similar weight loss as well (I can't remember what the E90 M3 was listed at - it was about 3726 lbs IIRC) Now, whether real-life weight comparisons will prove these numbers out remains to be seen.

Exactly! I just don't understand these comments. If BMW did make the car much lighter then everyone would be bitching about road noise or how cheap the doors feel.

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[mastek]

Originally Posted by ixse

is this guy serious? less than 3000lb? you either wanna drive a tin can or a car with carbon fiber tub and body that cost over 6 figures.
please be realistic, even if its just a wish list lol. m3, m4 still has to do what regular 3,4 series do imcluding comfort. this is not a born hardcore race car

Originally Posted by GotEM4

less than 3000lb.? You want a Yugo car then

e36m3 was 3,100 lbs.
e30m3 was 2,900 lbs.
Those were not Yugos or Hardcore race cars.
Cmon guys.... a little imagination and optimism can go a long way.