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06-30-2014, 04:22 PM | #89 |
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Having test driven both cars, I would have to agree with the majority of the article. However, I don't exactly agree with their "fun to drive" scores.
When testing the 911, I was really disappointed with how tame the car felt under straight line acceleration. I know the car is fast on paper but it didn't really feel that fast. You also really had to rev the engine up to get to the power band. Due to the location, I really didn't get to take the 911 through turns, where the car most likely shines the most. Also, the car felt very cramped on the inside, and the rear seats are a joke. The PDK was good but nothing to brag about. My M3 test drive reminded me of the first time I ever drove a e90x M3. My heart was racing and my hands were shaking. The straight line acceleration is absolutely furious and vicious! Even from 1500rpm, the car pulls like a monster and the shifts are lightning quick and aggressive. The latest DCT is smoother and faster than the e90x DCT (even with software). So sure, the Porsche chassis is better as it should be. It's a smaller and lighter car with a rear engine and massive rear tires; not to mention more expensive. But after a 15min test drive, the latest M3 put a big grin on my face just like the e46 and the e9x did when I first drove it. The Porsche made me wonder where the extra $20k was going, and that I should probably look at a S version. |
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06-30-2014, 04:58 PM | #91 |
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Fit, finish, and build quality. Though I didn't consider the Porsche interior that much superior to the M3's, especially with how cramped it is. Also, I'm not going simply by performance figures but by the excitement the cars deliver on a daily basis.
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I must admit. As much as I like BMW, Porsche 911s are significantly better in every way compared to a BMW as far as performance. BUT BMW has the practicality and creature comforts I love. Plus decent performance. I will probably always stick with BMWs. Porsche 911's are just too small for me.
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The M4 kills the base 911 even with 400 extra lbs and 2 usable rear seats, its 1.5 seconds quicker to 100mph, and 2.5 to 130mph.. They just used a base 911 to keep the price down, so they could keep the score close to the M4's. If they used a comparably equipped 911 S it would have been $120K easily. Which would have lowered the score, and the 911 S's performance would most likely barely match the M4.
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I Know the body/frame and other components aren't hand built, but the engines are hand assembled?
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The comparo makes the point on how good the new M4 is because it can go head to head with a pure sports car . If you all knew how far better the new 991 is from 997, you would be very happy with this test |
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again world, M4/M3 is the best OVERALL car you can buy, not surprised.
And didn't we learn that VW makes around $23K per Porsche sold, and that's simply what VW charges Porsche dealers in the form of $xx amount + cost = $MSRP we see on the window sticker...etc..etc. For all we know a M4 and a Carrera can cost the same to make at the factory, but Porsche can simply charge more because the market demand allows them. |
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The 991 is very roomy; you could mistake it for a gt car until you drive it. In the year I've owned my 991, I haven't had any issue with my frunk. I've never felt I needed more storage space. The cayman has the same frunk as the 991 and also some space in the rear. Quote:
Both cars come alive above 4500rpm; need to keep revs up. But I think that's the case with any N/A car. I'm not going to say one is better than the other; I am a straight line guy who enjoys cheap thrills on the freeway. So most of my friends were surprised when I got the 991, the quintessential driver's car. I got the 991 because the M4 was still unreleased at the time, I already had a extremely modded 335i that basically resembled a m3, Porsche was a perceived upper tier, and the 991 model was new. As it is now, I can't say I would be willing to exchange my base 991 for a m4. Hate to put it this way but it would feel like a downgrade. I'd say the 991 for me was a gateway car--it's still practical in the context of sports cars, but after being in a 991 I want to be more impractical. Unfortunately investments and increasing cash flow take priority for the time being so I'll slip into a used C2S next year but hopefully I can get something completely impractical by 2017/2018. For me, I just can't shake the feeling of the m4 as just a modified 3 series. It just seems like a compromise. Further, on Facebook, a fellow e90poster posted this pic: I thought those were all M4s until I looked more closely. But honestly...to the layman...they are all the same car! Even to me they look the same!! The 991 practically drives itself but make you feel like a hero when you take turns hard. I can only imagine what a skilled driver could do with my vehicle. C2S 0-60 = 3.9s with launch control/sport chrono C2 0-60 = 4.1s with launch control/sport chrono Judging from your statement, you would probably need a 991 turbo to be happy, not a GT3. I test drove a 911 turbo, not even a 991 turbo s, and it gave me a big grin. Also I've noticed the base 991 has a noticeably lower and louder exhaust note than the C2S so I'd definitely get the sports exhaust on the C2S. Quote:
For the 991, it's very linear and you feel like you are going to take off--it just keeps going. The PDK and instantaneous downshifts are very addicting and F1 sounding. Coming from a 335i the feeling of a lack of torque is persistent reminder in my base 991, but at the same time, there has not been a car on the freeway I haven't been able to over take easily with two downshifts. For 85-90k you can pick up a used C2S. That's probably what I'm going to do next year. Quote:
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I love the m4, but I HIGHLY doubt it's a better performance car than the 991.
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I went from e92 m3 to C2S - the 991 C2 felt to me very very similar power wise to the e92 but drove a lot better. I wanted to go up in power (performance I should say, before you all start hammering me that my car has less hp than the old or new m3/4) so I went with the S. The new m3/4 blends in so much that nobody around me can tell it apart (admittedly same thing with e92) but the 991, wow I've gotten more thumbsup and positive comments and looks in 1 month than I did in 2 years with the m3. I too feel the new m3/4 is a downgrade, no matter the performance. As to whether the extra $ is worth it, who can say. It certainly is to me and I'm no rich guy trying to make a statement or fanboy, I simply really really love my 991 C2S. For those of you commenting on bang for the buck of m3 vs 911, I find the mustang and camaro comparison valid - it's the same or better performance for much less $$. Or the c7 even. So if you're all about roomy backseat and a trunk and fastest 0-60 or 1/4 mile for your $$, buy American. If you like the m3/4 better for engineering and fit/finish - maybe that's why we pay more for 991 than m3/4 - it's the whole package. |
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Apples and oranges. The M4 is a sports sedan, the 911 a sports car. The M4 (and previously M3) have been best in class for decades. The 911 has no peers in its price range. (Corvette has the #s, but it's still too much Chevy ... albeit a bargain for near super car performance; and what else is there? Maserati? Jaguar?)
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VEHICLE 2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 2014 Porsche 911 Carrera S BASE PRICE $51,995 $99,850 PRICE AS TESTED $68,375 $148,245 POWERTRAIN ENGINE POWER HP @ RPM 460 @ 6000 400 @ 7400 TORQUE LB-FT @ RPM 465 @ 4600 325 @ 5600 REDLINE / FUEL CUTOFF 6500/6600 rpm 7600/7800 rpm LB PER HP 7.5 8.2 DRIVELINE TRANSMISSION 7-speed manual 7-speed dual-clutch automatic C/D TEST RESULTS ACCELERATION 0–30 MPH 1.7 sec 1.6 sec 0–60 MPH 4.0 sec 4.0 sec 0–100 MPH 9.2 sec 9.3 sec 0–150 MPH 23.2 sec 22.8 sec ¼-MILE @ MPH 12.5 sec @ 116 12.4 sec @ 116 ROLLING START, 5–60 MPH 4.6 sec 5.0 sec TOP GEAR, 30–50 MPH 14.0 sec 2.9 sec TOP GEAR, 50–70 MPH 13.1 sec 2.9 sec TOP SPEED 190 mph (drag ltd, C/D est) 188 mph (drag ltd, mfr's claim) CHASSIS BRAKING 70–0 MPH 142 feet 147 feet ROADHOLDING, 200-FT-DIA SKIDPAD 1.03 g 1.06 g 610-FT SLALOM 48.0 mph 48.8 mph WEIGHT CURB 3460 pounds 3297 pounds %FRONT/%REAR 49.7/50.3 37.8/62.2 http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4 |
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