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      01-03-2018, 12:19 PM   #23
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OT, but I took his allotment (just kidding)
I don't think he'll be pleased with the price tag.
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      01-03-2018, 12:19 PM   #24
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To all those that have purchased or purchasing tunes for their Ms, excuse my ignorance, but isn't the M power of 400+ hp/tq enough What do you guys do , track, race, drag that you need the extra power?
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      01-03-2018, 12:21 PM   #25
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I don't think he'll be pleased with the price tag.
He's loaded with $$$ maybe he's gonna upgrade to a real track car, a Porsche something


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      01-03-2018, 12:23 PM   #26
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given the cold climate we live in for the next few months, why would anyone want increased power in this weather? I’d like an anti-tune feature
Haha very true. It was a late Christmas gift to myself
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To all those that have purchased or purchasing tunes for their Ms, excuse my ignorance, but isn't the M power of 400+ hp/tq enough What do you guys do , track, race, drag that you need the extra power?
For me I am coming from a FBO N54 135i with stage 1 turbos. That was too much power for that car but I do miss the shove in the gut from all the low end torque. The tune will provide that plus the thing with HP is that can you really ever have enough??
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      01-03-2018, 12:26 PM   #28
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If you already have a M4, in my opinion getting a M4 CS will be a waste of money. Yes, I know you get the highly desirable exterior parts but if the CS is priced at 118,000$ that is a lot of cash for just a slightly better looking and "higher performing" model. I have been looking to sell my 2015 M4 for months and can't even fetch $65,000. Couple weeks ago I went to Porsche because I wanted to order the 911T but they gave me a lowball trade in at $56,000. So the heck with it I decided to drive the M4 for one more year. It's not such a bad thing.
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      01-03-2018, 02:29 PM   #29
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MBoss, unsure if your comment above was towards me? I am definitely not getting a CS or anything close to that. Was joking above. But to each his own!
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      01-03-2018, 02:32 PM   #30
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Was thinking of pulling the trigger on a hex tune but I'm not even sure if the 120+tq is usable.
I was actually about to order a hex platform today also, likly the stage2 map.
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I was actually about to order a hex platform today also, likly the stage2 map.
Question, why Hex stage 2 over BMthree?
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      01-03-2018, 02:46 PM   #32
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If you already have a M4, in my opinion getting a M4 CS will be a waste of money. Yes, I know you get the highly desirable exterior parts but if the CS is priced at 118,000$ that is a lot of cash for just a slightly better looking and "higher performing" model. I have been looking to sell my 2015 M4 for months and can't even fetch $65,000. Couple weeks ago I went to Porsche because I wanted to order the 911T but they gave me a lowball trade in at $56,000. So the heck with it I decided to drive the M4 for one more year. It's not such a bad thing.
$56K actually doesn't sound that bad for a 2015 model considering you will save about $7K in taxes on the trade in.

Never mind the CS, Pfaff is asking $120K for individual M4 CP's. The CS will be insane.
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MBoss, unsure if your comment above was towards me? I am definitely not getting a CS or anything close to that. Was joking above. But to each his own!
No I was just stating in general but you are right to each is their own. If you have money to burn why not ha
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Pfaff is asking $120K for individual M4 CP's. The CS will be insane.
Pfaff is trying to do with BMW what they did with Porsche but there are way too man dealers in GTA that offer very good discounts.
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Question, why Hex stage 2 over BMthree?
Hex is available now.... also its more comforting to know for me that they do operate an in house testing facility and are currently in the market with port flashing as BM3 isnt just yet....

My other option is BPM and I really appreciate Mike's openness and transparency with how the product works and the behind the scenes of how he develops his tunes infact thats my dilemma right now as im trying to press the order button, but my argument is to myself is unlike his competition I typically prefer to purchase from a larger vendor with multiple dealer outlets and a longer time in this business for more of the accountability aspect.
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Question, why Hex stage 2 over BMthree?
Hex is available now.... also its more comforting to know for me that they do operate an in house testing facility and are currently in the market with port flashing as BM3 isnt just yet....

My other option is BPM and I really appreciate Mike's openness and transparency with how the product works and the behind the scenes of how he develops his tunes infact thats my dilemma right now as im trying to press the order button, but my argument is to myself is unlike his competition I typically prefer to purchase from a larger vendor with multiple dealer outlets and a longer time in this business for more of the accountability aspect.
I was going to choose BPM but price was a factor.
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...I typically prefer to purchase from a larger vendor with multiple dealer outlets and a longer time in this business for more of the accountability aspect.
Do you mean warranty for their product or that they are accountable for what they provide ?

From my perspective, and have I been in the market for a tune, I would choose any one of those 3 or 4 vendors without considering whether they have a 10,000 sq ft facility or not! Just the fact that you are loading a "tune" without knowing the details and its origins is worrisome and it is very unclear who develops their own tunes and who re-brands or slightly modifies, etc...
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Do you mean warranty for their product or that they are accountable for what they provide ?

From my perspective, and have I been in the market for a tune, I would choose any one of those 3 or 4 vendors without considering whether they have a 10,000 sq ft facility or not! Just the fact that you are loading a "tune" without knowing the details and its origins is worrisome and it is very unclear who develops their own tunes and who re-brands or slightly modifies, etc...
good point I am humming and hawing.....
it is nice to know if there's ever an issue I have a door to walk through and talk to someone.
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Hex is available now.... also its more comforting to know for me that they do operate an in house testing facility and are currently in the market with port flashing as BM3 isnt just yet....

My other option is BPM and I really appreciate Mike's openness and transparency with how the product works and the behind the scenes of how he develops his tunes infact thats my dilemma right now as im trying to press the order button, but my argument is to myself is unlike his competition I typically prefer to purchase from a larger vendor with multiple dealer outlets and a longer time in this business for more of the accountability aspect.
I was actually struggling with the same. I was completely on-board with BPM but ended up going with Hex because of a few reasons but mainly the reputation (tunes a variety of cars/platforms safely and no negative comments across platforms that a google search could find), they have been bench flashing and tuning this platform for a while now, the general methodology of the tune (taking a holistic approach to tuning and trying to maintain the stock safety features). Also, I liked how they had developed other parts for the platform and were supporting a track car with their tune which makes me think a reasonable level of development and testing went into this. Price was not a factor since they were both the same price at the time.

Who knows if I made the right choice but I dont think there is a definitive right choice/best tune at the moment.
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      01-03-2018, 06:06 PM   #40
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BM3, VF, BPM, did alot of research and it's really a tossup. I just see more of VF's testing process than others' as a result of my search queries. It doesn't mean others don't. But the biggest deciding factor was they had a dealer local to me in Vancouver so that's that.
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Price wise BM3 was always cheaper I had assumed if you don't buy the agent that plugs to the OBD.

HEX is being run on track car?

I honestly wasn't considering them at all recently but I need read up on them even more now.

My biggest issue with HEX was everyone complaining about the throttle issue in sport+ and they ignored it till they realised it needed to be addressed. What I realized from that issue was that they are not setup to read ppls logs and adjust for air,gas etc immediately. Not sure if that matters for most of us but it's great to have that option. And BPM is known to offer that kind of instant service as well with s65.
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From a viewer standpoint, and I follow the topic for scientific curiousiety, indeed the choices and permutations out there are very confusing. If your goal is to remain as OEM as possible (CP, CS, GTS), you know whom to choose, especially that one vendor was clear you can switch between any stage at no additional cost.

If all vendors offered those OEM like tunes, and that above policy, IÂ’d choose the lowest cost, then by the best vendor. Some vendors have more staff, more experience and more equipment than others, if that matters to you!

It is crazy that for a stock M, allegedly you can get a stage 2 70/60 increase on 91+ fuel... for less than $1kUSD!
Mike Benvo at BPMSport has my vote .
I just ordered my stage 1 ecu tune from BPM sport
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Thank you to everyone for your support. We've delivered a ton of tunes in Canada with nothing but positive feedback from the owners.

To those considering a flash tune - please do your homework and don't be fooled by gimmicks and false information.

A post that may be of interest: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post22606894
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CanAUTM3, are you still planning on getting a CS?
I still have a deposit for the first allocation at my dealer.

Albeit the wait is getting ridiculous. We still do not have pricing, packaging nor availability for Canada and it's been close to a year since the official reveal. According to my original plans, I was supposed to change my car last summer. If this goes on much longer, I will simply order an M4 with CP and have it coded and tuned.
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