Competition Package - Yes or No?

boss2k · 11-05-2017, 02:01 PM

What's the purpose of cut out seats, looks ? What's the benefit of them and due to that I believe lumbar support is non adjustable which can be an issue to some.

CanAutM3 · 11-05-2017, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

I still do not yet understand what non adjustable lumbar support is. No one has explained it that I've seen. All seats have lumbar support in the sense that your back is supported.

Can anyone explain this to me?

The difference between the CP and non-CP seats is the ADJUSTABLE lumbar support. With the non-CP seats, it is possible to adjust the shape of the lumbar support in terms of depth and height to suit the curvature of one's back.

I find the adjustable lumbar support to be very convenient. For the daily drive, I inflate the lumbar support and open up the side bolsters for a nice comfortable seat. On long trips, I vary the height and shape of the lumbar support during the trip to rest my back. When I head to the track, I completely deflate the lumbar support, so I sit deep inside the seat and tighten the side bolster for a nice snug fit to hold me in place. I find the standard seat complements the dual nature of the M3/4 very well.

A buddy of mine came over to my place last year to get his new CP M4 coded. We jumped back and forth between my car and his to try to identify differences between the seats. The CP seats felt pretty much like the non-CP seats with the lumbar support fully deflated.

Parabolica · 11-05-2017, 02:38 PM

I thought the cp seats also provided more support on the sides?

Vectors2final · 11-05-2017, 03:24 PM

As someone who has owned both, they feel the same.

The difference being the adjustable lumbar and the holes.

gatorfast · 11-05-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by boss2k

What's the purpose of cut out seats, looks ? What's the benefit of them and due to that I believe lumbar support is non adjustable which can be an issue to some.

Possibly ventilation? Since "competition package" denotes track driving you sure can work up a sweat behind the wheel.

Crazykoh · 11-05-2017, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boss2k

What's the purpose of cut out seats, looks ? What's the benefit of them and due to that I believe lumbar support is non adjustable which can be an issue to some.

Looks. And tickling.

CanAutM3 · 11-05-2017, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabolica

I thought the cp seats also provided more support on the sides?

Nope. Not when the lumbar support on the standard seats is fully deflated.

dinonz · 11-05-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazykoh

Looks. And tickling.

And extra leg/knee room for tall passengers in the back.

boss2k · 11-05-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dinonz

And extra leg/knee room for tall passengers in the back.

How's that ??

dinonz · 11-05-2017, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by boss2k

How's that ??

They can stick their knees in the cutouts?

Aaaaaaaaa · 11-05-2017, 11:41 PM

Maybe some deep kidney massages from the rear passengers are you drive?

itrsteve · 11-16-2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boss2k

So you paid 5K to get cut out seats 😀

Yup. The regular ones leave a lot to be desired unless I gained 200lbs.

Gibson6594 · 11-16-2017, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by itrsteve

Yup. The regular ones leave a lot to be desired unless I gained 200lbs.

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

dinonz · 11-16-2017, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

I had adjustable lumbar support in my 335i and it made my back feel worse than my M3 ZCP seats do - and I have had a back disease for the past 35 years.

Adjustable Lumbar Support = Driver Controlled Fuck-up Device

Aaaaaaaaa · 11-16-2017, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

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Originally Posted by itrsteve

Yup. The regular ones leave a lot to be desired unless I gained 200lbs.

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

My driving gloves make me feel like a race car driver.

[IMG]http://www.dhresource.com/albu_94790...uv-sleeves.jpg[/IMG]

Gibson6594 · 11-16-2017, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dinonz

I had adjustable lumbar support in my 335i and it made my back feel worse than my M3 ZCP seats do - and I have had a back disease for the past 35 years.

Adjustable Lumbar Support = Driver Controlled Fuck-up Device

Ok, but you're talking two different seats in two different cars. It irks me a bit when I hear the ZCP folks tout their non-adjustable lumbar support as if it's a lateral inclusion.

dinonz · 11-16-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

Ok, but you're talking two different seats in two different cars. It irks me a bit when I hear the ZCP folks tout their non-adjustable lumbar support as if it's a lateral inclusion.

True - but adjustable lumbar support is not the be all and end all either. Even with my bad back, I drove from New Jersey to Texas in 48 hours, with no discomfort - I was really surprised.

itrsteve · 11-16-2017, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

Then I may be mistaken, my memory recalls that they didn't seem to hug as well. I could be wrong but there are bigger things in life to worry about.

I'm not in the camp that believes the ZCP is a superior build or anything like that, just a different way to configure the car. I was okay with justifying the additional price for the cosmetic offerings it provided so I checked the box, that's all.

I've had gutted/caged track cars in the past on SPG's, no interest in feeling like a race car driver on my DD.

///M4ster Yoda · 11-16-2017, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pheerlx

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

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Originally Posted by itrsteve

Yup. The regular ones leave a lot to be desired unless I gained 200lbs.

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

My driving gloves make me feel like a race car driver.

[IMG]http://www.dhresource.com/albu_94790...uv-sleeves.jpg[/IMG]

I "need" these. Where can I order them???

Aaaaaaaaa · 11-16-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

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Originally Posted by pheerlx

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Originally Posted by Gibson6594

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Originally Posted by itrsteve

Yup. The regular ones leave a lot to be desired unless I gained 200lbs.

A lot? They are the same seat, except they lack lumbar support (don't give me that non-adjustable crap). The cutouts are cosmetic, so they only make you feel like a real race car driver.

Which is the basically the point of the package.

My driving gloves make me feel like a race car driver.

[IMG]http://www.dhresource.com/albu_94790...uv-sleeves.jpg[/IMG]

I "need" these. Where can I order them???

Hell if I know just the first google image search hit I found

5soko · 11-16-2017, 04:20 PM

Does everyone forget that the CP gets you a different engine block bedplate. A much stiffer bedplate.
Same bedplate that is in the GTS..

Fear not, all the normal S55's got this bedplate as of production 12/15...

Wills2 · 11-17-2017, 10:44 AM

You can see the blanks for the cut outs in the back of the civic seats, it's like they already knew what they were going to do.

On the subject the seats are the most supportive I've had (civic ones) and remind me very much of the sports seats in my old 997.2 C2S which were also wonderfully supportive.

I'd get a CP mind, I don't have one mine's a lowly civic but I did have both versions of the e92 M3 and the CP was worth it to me.

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