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F80 is the same size as an E39 M5. Was the E39 M5 bigger than E60? Don't think so. M4 is better track beast than M2. Much better cooling and brakes in a stock M4 vs. stock M2. After a lap or so, M2 needs a rest to cool off.
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I don't get this comment series I owned a 2006 honda civic SI, a 2008 Subaru Legacy GT 5mt (with mild suspension mods), a 2005 Saab 9-2x aero (stock), and a few other vehicles. All would plow stock, yet all were great fun to drive hard into a corner or sweeping turn. Almost every car made that is not built for the track is built to understeer at the limit instead of readily rotating. I don't get the general derision towards mild understeer anymore, if the chassis is playful and responsive. Haven't driven an rs3 yet, but I look forward to tossing it into a corner hard at 30mph and seeing what happens. If it sucks, it sucks.
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Despite these changes, I can't imagine the '16 you drove was so bad in the understeer department that it 'scared' you. It means that all the decisions about the S3’s handling, ride, and stability are now made in one spot, from one set of data, at the same time. So the same brain that decides when to wake up the rear diff also decides how much work to give it, how much traction each tire can handle, and when grip is getting a bit iffy. It’s meant to make the car react more quickly and cohesively, and it works. Reworked differentials also play a role, with both the front and rear diffs now capable of taking 100 percent of the engine’s power and torque. That alone would give the car’s electronic brain a wider range of torque-management options. Audi doesn’t make much fuss about it, but the electrohydraulic steering programming has been changed, too. It Can Handle the Power These alterations imbue the S3 sedan with handling that feels even more positive and precise at the start of every corner, which imparts a higher level of confidence in the car’s ability to cope with anything you can throw at it. The S3 we drove showed up with its optional 19-inch aluminum wheels ringed with 235/35 Hankook rubber, and the car still rides well, even if we did detect a smidgen more harshness overall. The S3 has more grip, in every direction, than sane people will ever exploit. It can be hurled into any tight corner with an utter lack of mechanical empathy, and instead of curling up in a ball of mewling understeer, the S3 will shuffle the torque around, briefly pinch a brake caliper here or there, and just bite and go. There is an accuracy and a nuance to the lightly weighted steering that wasn’t there before, and the driver always knows exactly what grip remains and what the car has just done. It also punches out of corners brilliantly, disdaining power-on understeer and shooting squarely where you’ve aimed it. It’s difficult to convince the S3 that its abilities finally have been exceeded, but when they are, it smoothly and surreptitiously works its voodoo to get everything under control again. Full article here: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review Last edited by blschaefer1; 11-01-2017 at 06:21 PM.. |
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There is significant understeer at the limits and that is the problem with AWD. While the issue has been more and more minimized with tech, it is exacerbated with the Audi front heavy, front axle engine placement. It is developed this way because of economics, the Audi sedans, for the most part, were specifically designed and sold as front wheel drive cars. AWD variants are then built on FWD platforms. Both the A3 and TT are built on VW FWD GOLF platforms. When a sports car is specifically designed from the beginning as AWD, the understeer issues are more mitigated- see GT-R, Lambo's, 918 spyder, etc. Engines can be designed to be mounted as far back from the front axle as possible, rear wheel steering, etc. The track times will always tell you the true story. Even with my near perfect 50/50 on my x5m, and the trick differential, the understeer is evident whenever the car is pushed above 8/10's, the lap times are stunningly fast for AWD (faster than the f8x at Willow Springs-Randy Pobst), but the car is not as fun to drive. Watch this video:
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Who said a 50:50 weight distribution is ideal?
Ah yes, BMW Marketing. Hint: it’s not .
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yes, u would want a bit more to the rear... making audis even worse
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How many here have actually driven a new RS3? Seems based on reviews it’s a very solid handler. The now transverse mounted engine that is nearly 60 pounds lighter, a wider front track, wider tires and a newly revised AWD sound like they’ve worked well in what seems like a special package. |
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They did make the engine significantly lighter with this version of the I-5 in the RS3 mostly due from going from a cast iron to aluminum for the block. We did go for two extensive test drives when we ordered ours. The RS3 does fell quite nimble and playful, more so than the F8X at street speeds. I am pretty sure it wont keep up with an F8X on a track though.
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I’d imagine the RS3 would push at the full on limit in the track whereas the M you’re going to need to be quick on the oversteer. I’d venture to say the RS with AWD will be easier to drive quickly but think it really excels as a street car but it did seem to move in the APR track video which looks exciting. |
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I have to smile at this. When the f8x came out, it came with a magnesium oil pan. Mine has it.
Somewhere in the first year, they switched off mag oil pans. I BELIEVE for a combination of cost-savings and ease of servicing.
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When you’re really pushing it does, but most cars will at that level. I agree on the succession too. I found it has gotten far better than the E46 and E9 series.
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My wife let me take her B7 S4 at the track once when my E92 M3 was in the shop. It was fun to drive but it had heavy understeer under power when tracking out of corners, which killed its exit speed. At least, you can get some rotation under power with a RWD car. The RS3 seems more eager to rotate, but I have not driven it on a track yet.
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Rear Mid Engined like the boxter/cayman or f1 race cars are ideal vs Rear Engined 911, from what I understand.
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I agree the mid-rear engines cars seem most ideal, but the current day 911s vs the older ones are as good if not better when it comes to handling. I don’t think given current technology and suspension technology you’re going to find a material difference (especially given the engine continues to move towards a mid rear in the 911 and who knows for the future given the 911 RSR). Results from LeMans history are enough to show you how potent those rear engines 911s were and still are. Rear mid engines also do happen to spin very quickly and it can be quite scary the first time when you spin like a top. PMOI.
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