2018 BMW M3 CS priced at $97,400

[hi_officer]

Originally Posted by minn19

Not to go too OT here, but the So Cal market and San Fran/Silicon Valley market are the most insane I've ever seen. It can be a pain in the ass, but if you are able to go outside of those markets you can usually and easily find a decent deal (for any brand).

I will say though dealing with Ford dealers on their "special" cars can be a very frustrating experience.

It just all depends on how bad you want a specific car. As said previously, if it isn't worth it than to you then walk.

Exactly. Setting arbitrary cutoff points at MSRP (which is somewhat arbitrary itself and also a 'suggested' price) isn't the best way to assess if you should walk or not, IMO. To me, it should come down to "What is my willingness to pay for this car?". For example, if I walked into a Porsche dealership and said "I'd like a new GT3 I can spec myself at MSRP", I am competing with people who have prior relationship with the dealer or people who have been waiting for 2 years. So, if they came back and said "It'll be $10k over MSRP". I would assess the value of my time and the fact the other guys have taken hits on prior Porsches to be able to buy at MSRP and make a decision.

I could wait a year, buy out of state and/or get a horrible trade-in value OR pay $10k now and get the car.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

Exactly. Setting arbitrary cutoff points at MSRP (which is somewhat arbitrary itself and also a 'suggested' price) isn't the best way to assess if you should walk or not, IMO. To me, it should come down to "What is my willingness to pay for this car?". For example, if I walked into a Porsche dealership and said "I'd like a new GT3 I can spec myself at MSRP", I am competing with people who have prior relationship with the dealer or people who have been waiting for 2 years. So, if they came back and said "It'll be $10k over MSRP". I would assess the value of my time and the fact the other guys have taken hits on prior Porsches to be able to buy at MSRP and make a decision.

I could wait a year, buy out of state and/or get a horrible trade-in value OR pay $10k now and get the car.

Yup, I get both sides of it. It is all up to the individual what they are comfortable with.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by hi_officer

To me, it should come down to "What is my willingness to pay for this car?"

Otherwise known as the free market.

Indeed, while paying over MSRP could be considered foolish by some, it may in fact be exactly what the market has determined the transaction price should be at the time of the transaction. On the flip side, just because one oil sheik outlier is comfortable walking into a dealership and making 100s rain until the place is ten inches deep in them, doesn't mean the market won't bear less.

For an average consumer, the typical approach is to find out what others have paid in the current supply/demand climate and then to assess what a fair price is. Sometimes that more than what you are willing to cough up, sometimes it isn't. The key is to not pay more than you have to, and understand that what's a good/bad deal today might not be a good/bad deal tomorrow.

[Salespunk]

No matter what the market will set the correct price. Just look at the GTS pricing, they brought too many to the US and dealers got greedy. Dealers are paying the price for BMWNA poor planning. Porsche does not make enough GT3's to satisfy demand and it has cost Porsche Corporate $100M+ in lost profitability.

Safe to say that MSRP is irrelevant in any situation. It is at best an educated guess about what they can sell a car for, but is not some magical limit that means you got a bad deal if you pay over it.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

No matter what the market will set the correct price. Just look at the GTS pricing, they brought too many to the US and dealers got greedy. Dealers are paying the price for BMWNA poor planning. Porsche does not make enough GT3's to satisfy demand and it has cost Porsche Corporate $100M+ in lost profitability.

Safe to say that MSRP is irrelevant in any situation. It is at best an educated guess about what they can sell a car for, but is not some magical limit that means you got a bad deal if you pay over it.

The difference between Porsche GT models and BMWs GTS/CS/CSL is Porsche price them relatively cheaply to the 911 range then don't make enough that drives the demand.

BMW make them expensive relative the to standard car and then make too many.

[Evren]

97.000 Usd is really nice price. Here is x2.5

[IB M]

So ... for that money can u spec one with all black seats? I like the M4 CS seats but not the light colored inserts on the M3 CS. Take my money but give me better looking seats please.

[robbys3m3]

the wife has spoken. she is going to do an M3 CS in lime rock grey. so hard to not do SMB but I like that the grey will be different.

[spdandpwr]

Can someone help me understand the reason why the M3 CS makes sense vs a ZCP? I say this because the whole point of the M3 (and why I chose one) was because it's a more practical vehicle for daily use. Whereas the M4 is a bit more capable by virtue of how it's designed and thus more suitable for CS guise since it forgoes practicality for performance. I'm not writing this post to dig on the m3, more so to gain perspective as I'm thinking of opting into a slightly more hardcore m-car. The new m3 I have feels a bit soft.

[Emcee]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr

Can someone help me understand the reason why the M3 CS makes sense vs a ZCP? I say this because the whole point of the M3 (and why I chose one) was because it's a more practical vehicle for daily use. Whereas the M4 is a bit more capable by virtue of how it's designed and thus more suitable for CS guise since it forgoes practicality for performance. I'm not writing this post to dig on the m3, more so to gain perspective as I'm thinking of opting into a slightly more hardcore m-car. The new m3 I have feels a bit soft.

Slightly more performance, slightly lighter weight, exclusivity?

Is the M4 really that much more capable a machine? A M3 CS vs M4 CS would be very close to one another and depending on the driver the M3 could be faster.

If your M3 is soft, the M4 will be just soft since they use a majority of the same components. If you want hardcore, start modding on your your current vehicle (JB4, coilovers, etc).

[spdandpwr]

You know what, I thought there were compromises with the new CS in terms of accoutrements. Upon further reading, I see no such compromise. It's actually not a bad car. My only challenge is that it's so much more than a loaded M3 (ZCP, ZEC, individual color, etc).

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by spdandpwr

You know what, I thought there were compromises with the new CS in terms of accoutrements. Upon further reading, I see no such compromise. It's actually not a bad car. My only challenge is that it's so much more than a loaded M3 (ZCP, ZEC, individual color, etc).

Lack of door handles is a big compromise IMO. Open your door on a windy day and you will understand. Nothing to catch it and the strap will not do...
Happened to me on the GTS. Thankfully, no one was parked next to me.
Cup 2 tires for a daily? Not good either.

[Emcee]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Lack of door handles is a big compromise IMO. Open your door on a windy day and you will understand. Nothing to catch it and the strap will not do...
Happened to me on the GTS. Thankfully, no one was parked next to me.
Cup 2 tires for a daily? Not good either.

True, but the M3 CS has door handles.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by Emcee

True, but the M3 CS has door handles.

My bad. My comment applies to the M4CS.
Good catch!

And still no idea what the M4 CS will cost...

[uniqueMR]

Great value, must come with many standard features for that price point.
But I prefer BMW M4 CS

[DML]

At that price, pass. 911 territory, thank you.

[Parabolica]

Originally Posted by DML

At that price, pass. 911 territory, thank you.

My guess is that it will be difficult for BMW to get 550 Americans willing to pay the premium for this car. In my view, there just isn't enough of a variance with the CP to justify the cost.

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by Parabolica

My guess is that it will be difficult for BMW to get 550 Americans willing to pay the premium for this car. In my view, there just isn't enough of a variance with the CP to justify the cost.

Based on this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1454386 where the Base, CP, and CS dyno graphs are plotted on the same graph, it looks like there should be a noticeable performance difference between the CP and CS.

Despite this, I totally agree that the price is pretty steep at just MSRP (not even accounting for the likely market adjustment dealers will want).

[Deddie]

Originally Posted by Parabolica

My guess is that it will be difficult for BMW to get 550 Americans willing to pay the premium for this car. In my view, there just isn't enough of a variance with the CP to justify the cost.

I hope that is the case...but I am getting nowhere with dealers here.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Parabolica

My guess is that it will be difficult for BMW to get 550 Americans willing to pay the premium for this car. In my view, there just isn't enough of a variance with the CP to justify the cost.

So BMW bringing 550 limited nice looking F80 to the states and you think BMW gonna have hard time to sell them?

I don't think so, I think it's gonna be hard to get one.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Based on this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1454386 where the Base, CP, and CS dyno graphs are plotted on the same graph, it looks like there should be a noticeable performance difference between the CP and CS.

Despite this, I totally agree that the price is pretty steep at just MSRP (not even accounting for the likely market adjustment dealers will want).

Have a look at this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1376759

There is a greater performance leap going from CP to CS than there is from base to CP, even if there is less peak power gain. It is all about the area under the curve. The CS tune puts the F8X chassis on pretty much on par with the Giulia QV and C63S in acceleration.

[Parabolica]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Based on this thread: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1454386 where the Base, CP, and CS dyno graphs are plotted on the same graph, it looks like there should be a noticeable performance difference between the CP and CS.

Despite this, I totally agree that the price is pretty steep at just MSRP (not even accounting for the likely market adjustment dealers will want).

Sure absolutely. But the price from Base to CP is only what $3K more, whereas the price from CP to CS is what $25K more?

Also, can't you simply add a CS tune to the CP and be done with it?