2018 BMW M3 CS priced at $97,400

[babraham]

Originally Posted by GFK007

No m3 is worth 100k. None.

I don't know.
An Evo2 or Sport Evo E30 M3 would be a pretty decent deal at $100k, assuming in good shape.

[nick3753]

In reality all cars have become insanely more expensive the past decade. A loaded civic (not type -R) is over 30k! 40k accords, 50k mustang GTs. It's just the way it is if you want a new car.

[Chicken_Joe]

Tbh I would rather buy a 991.1 911 and save myself the heartache lol

[ProperBimmer]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

People have short memories.

I picked up a 2002 M3 E46 Brand NEW Manual, well equipped, 56k with tax. That's over 15 years ago fellas.

Those were the days of the 22k top spec Integras. Now a loaded Camry is in the 40k league

Get the M2 if you want the essentials.

I also picked up a 2004 mt and it was about 47k back then (I still own it). I don't recall exact pricing, but SMG verts were the only thing close to 57k at the time. There was no heavy dealer markup, not much bs with individual colors or crazy expensive options from what I recall either.

I understand what your saying but I personally also believe an f80/82 should be max 75k loaded up, IMO I don't see 6 figures worth of car there.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ProperBimmer

I also picked up a 2004 mt and it was about 47k back then (I still own it). I don't recall exact pricing, but SMG verts were the only thing close to 57k at the time. There was no heavy dealer markup, not much bs with individual colors or crazy expensive options from what I recall either.

I understand what your saying but I personally also believe an f80/82 should be max 75k loaded up, IMO I don't see 6 figures worth of car there.

Sadly, there was plenty of dealer mark up back then. I shopped many dealers and all of them marked up the M3 in 2001, I bought the car right after it came out and had to wait for mine to arrive.

I paid 1k adm in 2002. that was my only car I ever bought for more than msrp.

I think you are looking at things in rose colored glasses.

In So Cal, the f8x M3 were sold out at dealerships for months and months from the intro. It's been 3 years and supply has finally started to exceed demand. BMW has sold more f8x M3/M4s than every gen before. They know quite well what people are willing to pay, they have all the sales figures. Frankly, they don't care whether or not you think it is worth it.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

People have short memories.

I picked up a 2002 M3 E46 Brand NEW Manual, well equipped, 56k with tax. That's over 15 years ago fellas.

Those were the days of the 22k top spec Integras. Now a loaded Camry is in the 40k league

Get the M2 if you want the essentials.

For some it's easier to bury your head in the sand and sing lalalala

We're in the age of 50k Camaro SS's and average car transaction prices ~34k. And it's somehow crazy that the CS is 97k? Huh?

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Racer20

Porsches USED to be slow. A new Carrera S or GTS is much faster than an M3 and a better car in every way. The M4 GTS is pretty much the ultimate fanboy car . . . It looks like a rice rocket and by all accounts doesn't drive that well. For the same money, you could have bought a new GT3 that year and had an objectively better car in every way. Most of the time I can understand why people might prefer one car over another, even if I don't like the car myself. A corvette over an M3 or Porsche, a Mustang or Camaro over an M3, etc. But the M4 GTS makes zero sense to me outside of pure fanboyism.

Although it's true that old Porsches are hilariously slow -yet have fanboys crawling out of the woodwork just the same-, the new ones still don't seem like a problem. I am yet to see a fast single fast 991 generation Carrera S. I have seen a single 991 GTS that was actually fast. All this compared to a E9X generation M3.
I don't expect to need to upgrade the E9Xs into F8Xs based on the speed of modern Porsches.

Please do not say ridiculous things about the GT3. You cannot walk into a dealership and buy a GT3 for 145k. Try it. You simply cannot. The 'market adjustment' will not allow you to leave the dealership for much less than 200k. This is not in the same price range as the M4 GTS.
To all regular humans, the M4 GTS is the price range of the 991 GTS.

I haven't tracked the M4 GTS (yet) but I'm quite sure it will be like all M3/4s in history: WAY more fun to drive than the GT3.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

The GTS began as a 4 series, which is not a sports car. No matter what wing, body kit, or cardboard interior they throw at it.

A GT3, on the other hand, 991.1 or 991.2 is VERY special. Roughly the same price, not artificially limited in production because Porsche knows they will sell as many as they can make, and are much, much faster.
.

Spend some time in GT3 at the race track, which is what they're made for, and you'll realize they are not that special. I instruct in them all the time, if I preferred them to the M3 I'd have one by now.

I recognize some people live in fairy town land and think the GT3 is a good daily driver. One particularly smart individual maintains the GT3 RS and the GT2 RS are good daily drivers as well.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

People don't realize Porsche does the same thing? Macan S vs Macan GTS is a whopping 20 horsepower difference from the same engine, and some suspension frills, and exhaust, body kit for +14k more base price, THAT'S 25% more money for a GTS.
As usual, people see what they want to see, but the devil is in the details.
So BMW is now offering a bunch of versions of the M3, civic M3, comp M3, CS, GTS at different price levels. It's what everyone else is ALREADY doing, guys.

Why does it seem so obvious to us and incomprehensible to others?

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I see this type of comment all the time, as if "serious" track guys have to have a full on race car otherwise they're just posers. I take my bone stock 2015 Civic M3 to the track (stock pads, tires, alignment, only better fluid) and run faster than most people there in the second to top group (need a HANS to run in the top group). To me, driving skill is about extracting the most from yourself and the car you have, and learning to manage its trade-offs and weaknesses.

Anyone can just keep bolting parts onto their car until the limits of the car are higher than their limits as a driver. Extracting consistently fast times while dealing with a less than perfect car is more challenging and fun to me than making the car faster than I can drive it.

There is a lot of that crap in the track world.

People are surprised I do 20 track days in a car I drive to the track. Everyone seems to want to manage my money for me and tell me I should have a spec miata, plus a trailer, plus a tow vehicle to do all these track days. Why? A pretty close to stock M3 works perfectly as a single car and is fast enough to whoop all these P car fanboys waxing lyrical about their boxster 6 garbage engines that blow up every weekend into next week.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by csbear

And here I was, drooling over those M3 CS pics. That MSRP was almost exactly what I paid for a well equipped GT4.
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And the CS will blow the GT4 into the water every day of the week and twice on sunday.

I run across a lot of GT4s on the track. I am still waiting to see a single one that is fast. Hoosier slicks, Fabspeed power package, remote reservoir JRZ... whatever. They still aren't faster than an E9X M3. A CS? LOL

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

911? Why didn't you just get the Corvette Z06? YUUGE discounts now, YUUGE.

because we live in a world of hard parkers and badge whores who would prefer to have a base piece of shit 911 with zero options and no LSD as their sport car than a M3 CS.

It's quite pathetic

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

And the CS will blow the GT4 into the water every day of the week and twice on sunday.

I run across a lot of GT4s on the track. I am still waiting to see a single one that is fast. Hoosier slicks, Fabspeed power package, remote reservoir JRZ... whatever. They still aren't faster than an E9X M3. A CS? LOL

Equal driver in each car, nothing you say holds any truth and the Porsche is a far more capable and faster car. You simply like to think you are some HPDE hero. It’s very different when someone is in an old e9x m3 worth 20k vs a guy in a 100-150k car who is just out there to drive around and have fun.

Funny thing is, in real racing, it takes an IP prepped race M3 to even keep pace with a bone stock from the factory 911. That says it all. Ms are slow on track comparably.

[Ben Overlake]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Equal driver in each car, nothing you say holds any truth and the Porsche is a far more capable and faster car. You simply like to think you are some HPDE hero. It’s very different when someone is in an old e9x m3 worth 20k vs a guy in a 100-150k car who is just out there to drive around and have fun.

Funny thing is, in real racing, it takes an IP prepped race M3 to even keep pace with a born stock from the factory 911. That says it all. Ms are slow on track comparably.

We need an intelligence badge. You get one. The other dude not so much.

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Although it's true that old Porsches are hilariously slow -yet have fanboys crawling out of the woodwork just the same-, the new ones still don't seem like a problem. I am yet to see a fast single fast 991 generation Carrera S. I have seen a single 991 GTS that was actually fast. All this compared to a E9X generation M3.
I don't expect to need to upgrade the E9Xs into F8Xs based on the speed of modern Porsches.

Please do not say ridiculous things about the GT3. You cannot walk into a dealership and buy a GT3 for 145k. Try it. You simply cannot. The 'market adjustment' will not allow you to leave the dealership for much less than 200k. This is not in the same price range as the M4 GTS.
To all regular humans, the M4 GTS is the price range of the 991 GTS.

I haven't tracked the M4 GTS (yet) but I'm quite sure it will be like all M3/4s in history: WAY more fun to drive than the GT3.

Ehhh. You can buy a few thousand mile GT3 for ~140k depending on options.

To me, a few thousand miles (under 7k) is pretty much brand new.

If you're ordering one I agree with you.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Ehhh. You can buy a few thousand mile GT3 for ~140k depending on options.

To me, a few thousand miles (under 7k) is pretty much brand new.

If you're ordering one I agree with you.

We should compare new to new. You can also buy a 'like new' M4 GTS for 90k. Or a used vanilla M4 for 50k.
I for one do not want a track oriented car with 7k miles on it. Chances are those entire 7k miles have been at racetracks as these cars are always trailered there. Which is surprising after all I keep reading here about how they're fine for daily driving.

Try it. Go into a Porsche dealership and say you want a 991.2 GT3 with zero options and see what they say.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

For some it's easier to bury your head in the sand and sing lalalala

We're in the age of 50k Camaro SS's and average car transaction prices ~34k. And it's somehow crazy that the CS is 97k? Huh?

It goes the other way about burying your head in the sand as well. What king of performance gain are you getting over a ZCP or even a civic M3 in the hands of most people?

We are also in an age where those 50k (which can be had for a lot less realistically) SS Camaros (especially the 1LE) handle/ride better and nearly perform as well as all versions of the M3/4. It is crazy.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Spend some time in GT3 at the race track, which is what they're made for, and you'll realize they are not that special. I instruct in them all the time, if I preferred them to the M3 I'd have one by now.

I recognize some people live in fairy town land and think the GT3 is a good daily driver. One particularly smart individual maintains the GT3 RS and the GT2 RS are good daily drivers as well.

That’s a fair point - and I haven’t been lucky enough to track or even be in one of these cars while at the track, so I wouldn’t know on that front at all.

My F80 has many DD advantages over the 981 CS I had for two years, because the duality of DD/track capabilities is where the M should shine. From an experience standpoint, however, the Porsche was considerably better in my opinion (sound, feel, handling, etc.). It just depends on what you want and need. I wish I had the means to have both at the same time. Maybe someday.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

because we live in a world of hard parkers and badge whores who would prefer to have a base piece of shit 911 with zero options and no LSD as their sport car than a M3 CS.

It's quite pathetic

A BMW guy calling somebody else a badge whore.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

There is a lot of that crap in the track world.

People are surprised I do 20 track days in a car I drive to the track. Everyone seems to want to manage my money for me and tell me I should have a spec miata, plus a trailer, plus a tow vehicle to do all these track days. Why? A pretty close to stock M3 works perfectly as a single car and is fast enough to whoop all these P car fanboys waxing lyrical about their boxster 6 garbage engines that blow up every weekend into next week.

Now I don’t know anything about Porsche’s F6 blowing up, and I only had y car for two years, but that thing could howl over and over all the way at redline. That is a special sound to most people who are into cars on some level.

The PDK also holds whatever RPM you want, in whatever gear you want, all the way at redline. And will not blink an eye. Or decide that it’s gong to shift for you because it knows better than the human. The car truly felt like an engineering masterpiece to me.

Edit: I remembered this video from a few years back - I am certain I could not do this in my F80.

[Falafel Combo]

But you can get an f90 M5 for $97k. Lol!!!

Yeah, hard pass on this one.

[Falafel Combo]

At this price point, the M3 CS is punching way beyond its weight. Like trying to sell a $70,000 Hyundai.

Naw man. Just naw.