Why Are There No Good Track Tires For 513m

CPWINCH · 12-11-2017, 04:53 PM

I spec'd my car with the 513m 18s after learning that they are forged and lightweight since I track a lot. The only tire that comes in the correct sizes are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports which are awful on the track.

Some companies offer the rear size and not the front or vice versa. Toyo makes the R888 for the rear but not the front. I reached out them explaining that there is a market for that tire size since a lot of track guys spec the 18s but they said they arent planning on making the size needed.

I know I can always go one size down for the sidewall but a 35 sidewalls looks terrible on our cars.

What tires is everyone running on their 513m?

FriedPiston · 12-11-2017, 06:47 PM

You can fit a 285/35/18 ET22, but max recommended tire width for the front 513M 18x9 wheel is 275 mm.

You can also move up to 275/35/18 in the front, and bump the rear tires to 285/35/18 for better tire options. However, people usually go for a square track setup, most commonly 275/35/18, 285/35/18, and a few on 275/40/18.

This means you'll be able to re-use your Klassen ID MS01 wheels by simply adding a pair of 10mm front wheel spacers, and a square tire fitment like 285/35/18.

n54fanatic · 12-12-2017, 02:45 AM

I'm running a mix of tires with the stock sizes RE-71R front and NT01s at the rear

elmerzasty · 12-12-2017, 05:30 AM

I am running 285/30 18 Michelin Cups on 4 x 10" 513Ms.

Circuit Hunter · 12-12-2017, 08:56 AM

Ive run 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS3's and they are decent and similar in overall diameter to the OE sizes. The RS3 is out of production but the replacement RS4's have the same sizes. I have no experience with the new variant.

CPWINCH · 12-12-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nars3000

You can fit a 285/35/18 ET22, but max recommended tire width for the front 513M 18x9 wheel is 275 mm.

You can also move up to 275/35/18 in the front, and bump the rear tires to 285/35/18 for better tire options. However, people usually go for a square track setup, most commonly 275/35/18, 285/35/18, and a few on 275/40/18.

This means you'll be able to re-use your Klassen ID MS01 wheels by simply adding a pair of 10mm front wheel spacers, and a square tire fitment like 285/35/18.

Yeah ive thougt about the set ups you reccomended but the overall diameter is too small. I really dont like square set ups on the M4. This car performs much better with a staggered set up on the track. I was planning on keeping the Klassens with a square set up until i realized how much these cars benefit from extra rubber in the rear. Thank you for your advice, i really appreciate it.

CPWINCH · 12-12-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by n54fanatic

I'm running a mix of tires with the stock sizes RE-71R front and NT01s at the rear

I would never run mixed tires at the track personally. Not as predictable.

CPWINCH · 12-12-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Circuit Hunter

Ive run 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS3's and they are decent and similar in overall diameter to the OE sizes. The RS3 is out of production but the replacement RS4's have the same sizes. I have no experience with the new variant.

I considered this set up before. I am just worried about it being to small in diameter. Do you have any photos?

CPWINCH · 12-12-2017, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elmerzasty

I am running 285/30 18 Michelin Cups on 4 x 10" 513Ms.

I wish I could run cups, unfortunately I am not a fan of the square set up on the F82 personally

CPWINCH · 12-12-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Circuit Hunter

Ive run 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS3's and they are decent and similar in overall diameter to the OE sizes. The RS3 is out of production but the replacement RS4's have the same sizes. I have no experience with the new variant.

Thank you so much for this recommendation. This is exactly what Ive been looking for. I loved the RS3 on my old build. Would love to see some pictures if possible

Circuit Hunter · 12-12-2017, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CPWINCH

Thank you so much for this recommendation. This is exactly what Ive been looking for. I loved the RS3 on my old build. Would love to see some pictures if possible

No problem. My instagram is circuithunter. My oldest posts are of my old Mineral Grey F80 with 18” Advan TCIII’s on the aforementioned RS3 tires. At the time the car was lowered on KW HAS.

RSXDC5 · 12-15-2017, 02:19 PM

OP: You do realize that overall diameter/circumference doesn't need to be spot on if you are tracking...right? You should be tracking with DCS OFF.

DSC will adjust to different tire diameters/circumferences over a period of time/mileage as well.

CPWINCH · 12-20-2017, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RSXDC5

OP: You do realize that overall diameter/circumference doesn't need to be spot on if you are tracking...right? You should be tracking with DCS OFF.

DSC will adjust to different tire diameters/circumferences over a period of time/mileage as well.

Hi RSXDC5, I am aware of this and I do indeed track full DSC off but this is more of an aesthetic choice for me. I was posting this in case someone found a tire that is similar to OEM sizing overall like the guy above helped with

CPWINCH · 12-20-2017, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Circuit Hunter

No problem. My instagram is circuithunter. My oldest posts are of my old Mineral Grey F80 with 18” Advan TCIII’s on the aforementioned RS3 tires. At the time the car was lowered on KW HAS.

Just followed, I am carmodification on IG. It looks good! pretty similar to the OEM sizing. Thanks again

rx7gslse · 12-27-2017, 09:28 PM

I’m running 265/40 and 295/40 18” R-S4 now... first track day on them in a couple weeks..

Although I’m running 18x10/11” tires, not the stock 18s. But the tires fit!

CPWINCH · 01-07-2018, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rx7gslse

I’m running 265/40 and 295/40 18” R-S4 now... first track day on them in a couple weeks..

Although I’m running 18x10/11” tires, not the stock 18s. But the tires fit!

Thanks for the insight! Hope you have a good time at the track

aerostar · 01-08-2018, 10:49 AM

PSS are bad on the track??

Sales@wheelsdc.com · 01-09-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CPWINCH

I would never run mixed tires at the track personally. Not as predictable.

I agree, not a big fan of mixed tires

ctgeorge · 01-09-2018, 08:46 PM

Back when I considered using my 513m for track duty (Now relegated to a Snow Set), I found that the Yokahama AD08R come in 255/40 and 265/40. Both of which on paper seems to be just a tad larger than the 255/40 275/40 PSS. In Theory, it should work well. Ran then on my B7 RS4 track set and they performed decently.

Ended up going with an Apex 18" staggered set w/ 275-35/305-35 Nitto NT01.

CPWINCH · 01-10-2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aerostar

PSS are bad on the track??

Yes. They work but not very good

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CPWINCH Brigadier General 734 Rep 4,635 Posts Drives: Toyota Prius Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (7)	Why Are There No Good Track Tires For 513m I spec'd my car with the 513m 18s after learning that they are forged and lightweight since I track a lot. The only tire that comes in the correct sizes are the Michelin Pilot Super Sports which are awful on the track. Some companies offer the rear size and not the front or vice versa. Toyo makes the R888 for the rear but not the front. I reached out them explaining that there is a market for that tire size since a lot of track guys spec the 18s but they said they arent planning on making the size needed. I know I can always go one size down for the sidewall but a 35 sidewalls looks terrible on our cars. What tires is everyone running on their 513m? __________________ Follow my BMW instagram @CARMODIFICATION Let me know you are from bimmerpost and i'll follow back
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FriedPiston Colonel 1973 Rep 2,711 Posts Drives: Scraper Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: East Oakland, CA iTrader: (26)	You can fit a 285/35/18 ET22, but max recommended tire width for the front 513M 18x9 wheel is 275 mm. You can also move up to 275/35/18 in the front, and bump the rear tires to 285/35/18 for better tire options. However, people usually go for a square track setup, most commonly 275/35/18, 285/35/18, and a few on 275/40/18. This means you'll be able to re-use your Klassen ID MS01 wheels by simply adding a pair of 10mm front wheel spacers, and a square tire fitment like 285/35/18.
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Circuit Hunter Lieutenant 370 Rep 488 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Southern Cal. iTrader: (0)	Ive run 265/35/18 and 285/35/18 Hankook RS3's and they are decent and similar in overall diameter to the OE sizes. The RS3 is out of production but the replacement RS4's have the same sizes. I have no experience with the new variant. __________________ IG: @circuithunter
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RSXDC5 Captain 707 Rep 886 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ iTrader: (0)	OP: You do realize that overall diameter/circumference doesn't need to be spot on if you are tracking...right? You should be tracking with DCS OFF. DSC will adjust to different tire diameters/circumferences over a period of time/mileage as well. __________________ 2015 M3 - AW 6Spd w/ CCB MCS 2WR Dampers, Spec Twin Disk Clutch, MaxPSI CH, F80Paul Ethanol Tune, 3.5in DPs
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ctgeorge Second Lieutenant 314 Rep 273 Posts Drives: CIVIC M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Behind Enemy Lines iTrader: (1)	Back when I considered using my 513m for track duty (Now relegated to a Snow Set), I found that the Yokahama AD08R come in 255/40 and 265/40. Both of which on paper seems to be just a tad larger than the 255/40 275/40 PSS. In Theory, it should work well. Ran then on my B7 RS4 track set and they performed decently. Ended up going with an Apex 18" staggered set w/ 275-35/305-35 Nitto NT01. Last edited by ctgeorge; 01-09-2018 at 09:17 PM..
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