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I don't think it has nearly as strong a top end as a base 911 and not nearly a 991S, but those cars are meant to be revved. Very different engine characteristics. I agree you will have a bit more low/mid than a 3.4 liter Carrera, but an 'S' model is plenty powerful, as its neck and neck with an F80 M3 despite a lot less horsepower/torque. The base is a little slower, 113 mph trap with a manual and around 114/115 with PDK, which by all means isn't slow at all. On the track, the 911 of either variation will certainly be faster and only continue whereas the M3 does get hairy very quick, its brakes a bit soft and the tires overheat very quickly. |
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07-08-2015, 02:44 PM | #46 | |
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Exhaust note and active sound are relative as well. I think my car sounds pretty good with down pipes, open valves, and muted active sound. You had the MPE, I think that think sounds amazing. |
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07-08-2015, 08:07 PM | #47 | ||
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The M3 has to be full throttle and max boost for me to say "yes that's fun". Otherwise I find it mundane and truly lacks and sense of occasion (and all definition of the word feel) and doesn't feel at all special. I also think it was absurd I had to spend another 10k to get the car to look good and still only sounds at best OK with a $5,000 exhaust. |
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07-08-2015, 08:20 PM | #48 |
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I will say the only non suv porsche that i've driven in my life was a 6mt cayman... that was enough for me to say hell no...
The car can feel as balanced as a tightrope walker but as slow, torqueless and impractical as it was and as mundane as that engine sound was it was enogh for me to say hell no... the only option for me for the street woild be a turbo s and 180k is frankly absurd for that car.
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07-08-2015, 08:45 PM | #49 | |
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As you pointed, out M3 and 991S are neck and next.. similar performance and 50% less cost is an M3 win in my books Swap out the PSS and brake pads if you are having issues at the track... I personally went into the purchase knowing this and I think your expectations are a bit off if you think street pads and PSS will work out at the track regardless of the model of the car |
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07-08-2015, 08:48 PM | #50 | |
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OP, from what Im hearing the M is the best car for your needs at this point in time. That aside, if you are getting a 911 make sure its an S.
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07-08-2015, 08:49 PM | #51 | |
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I don't think I should have to change brake pads to go to the track. BMW should design brakes that don't overheat and get sloppy after multiple laps. Same can't be said of the 911, the brakes just perform and perform. PSS are great street tires, not a good track tire, so no issues there but I just don't like the very tail happy nature where the car is always looking to bite you. Going to R compounds only makes the breaking point less progressive and requires that much more to catch it. End of the day, there are many reasons the 911 is priced higher. Straight line speed aside, there aren't comparable in their performance at all. And unless you're specifically talking a GT2/3/RS variants, the regular other 911s are GT cars, just extremely fast on track. For what my M3 was with the M performance parts, I could have bought a 991. I have not quite decided, but a 991 'S' with PDK/PSE/PASM sounds like THE car, though I would not rule out a base Carrera for the 991 as it's just so capable. Last edited by EfEightyM3; 07-08-2015 at 08:55 PM.. |
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07-08-2015, 10:53 PM | #52 | |
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Most used P-cars on used market have very low mileage. Pple baby them then sell them to the next guy to baby the car. You drive it daily and you will see dings, miles, and repair bills pile up and finishes (ext/int) diminishing. All this will bring the cost of the car down a lot. What I would do. If no kids, i'd get 911 given the situation (who cares about the resale value). With family, I'd need another fancy family car which I cant afford. So I am sticking to M3 as my fun car and my family fancy car whereas second car in family is for utility (RAV4). |
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07-09-2015, 05:38 AM | #53 |
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I view it as this....if you were driving a m3 and then a porsche 911 pulls up.. you would wish you were driving the 911.
Now imagine you were driving a 911 then a m3 pulls up.. you would be happy you are still driving a 911 Driving is a passion ... you are by yourself 90% of the time... treat yourself a little you deserve it. |
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I think you drank enough of the p-car kool aid that you've become infatuated with the 991. Hopefully that wasn't the case when you were ordering the m3, when you put down 10k in cosmetics and full asking on the exhaust. In my mind the M3 is the clear winner. |
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07-09-2015, 08:41 AM | #55 |
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I do daily drive a 991 GTS4 as the replacement of my e92M3. I did test drive the new M4 and had a base 991 for a day when my GT3RS was in the shop.
The new M4/M3 is faster then the base 991 C2. The M4 seemed just as fast as my GTS4 on the street. However the GTS has a better steering, better sound (especially above 6k), better manual trany and feels more planted. The M3/M4 are more practical by a significant margin. Still I can fit both kids (for a short school-home ride) into the GTS. For a used 991 or new M3, I would go with the M3. |
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In the hands of you and I, I think you'll see those gaps or bigger for the 911 given its got much higher limits and much easier to drive than the M3 or M4. I don't think it's infatuation, just the car is so good, it's damn near perfect. Can't say I've ever felt that way about many cases, but the 911 is. Again, I value a driver's car first and foremost. A car that inspires confidence is very important as well. If I want pure speed, I have other things that will make any street car short of 918 or P1 seem slow. |
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Also Honestly if you arent doing the S then dont bother.
I paid 80k for my M3 and I got the ceramics. For 80 the only C2S I can find is a 2013 and has 20k miles. I'll take the brand new car over the one that was used for 2 years and has 20k miles on it, but I'm weird like that. |
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Granted, none of us here will be able to replicate those times, but the 911 is a much easier car to drive, it doesnt have the snap oversteer the M3 and M4 do. In my experience on track with both, the 911 will start fast and continue to put down consistently fast times, where the M car will wear down and struggle putting down consistent laps over the course of a session or day (brakes, tires, etc just are not capable of the repeated stuff the 911 is made for). Last edited by EfEightyM3; 07-09-2015 at 11:55 AM.. |
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I started this thread when I got the car. Have some pics.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1103863 |
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I just drove a 2013 F458 (trading in my RS) and the in gear acceleration (2 and 3) is not much better than the RS. - just for the F funboys! Anyway, the new M4 felt quick enough as a DD. Have no experience with it at all as a track car nor with the GTS. |
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07-09-2015, 02:26 PM | #64 | |
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No sense in continuing the conversation though, since you seem pretty convinced you made the wrong choice in car, which is too bad. You sound like that other member "revcrazy" (you might even be him with another user name). It's too bad you checked so many option boxes on your car. You probably should have gotten that 991 instead if you spent that much on an M3. Or really, get the GT4 for the same price. There look to be some allocations here and there and the wait lists are whittling down. |
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07-09-2015, 02:40 PM | #65 | ||
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Objectively it's a better performing car...that's a given since I can't think of a performance car where performance didn't move forward from a previous generation. Subjectively, it has a lot of things I wish were better...of course this can be said of many cars as well. But there's a few things that truly don't sit well with me. I just have not found the car as enjoyable as I would have hoped. As far as being tail happy, yes it is. It has good front grip (not great but better than other Ms), and not enough rear grip given the close to 500 hp and torque the car is putting out. I just wish it were a bit more planted without so much throttle snap oversteer. Would be nice to be able to get rid of the auto rev match in Sport mode too since Sport + the throttle is too short. |
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As for a 458, that makes sense. Even the 458 Speciale is barely faster than a 2015 GT3 in trap speed despite having close to 30% more hp. The previous RS was a very fast car. |
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