Video: BMW M3 vs C63 S AMG comparison review | evo DEADLY RIVALS

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

Don't forget the car in the video is the M3, not the M4 with the carbon bootlid. I doubt the weight difference is higher than 100kg, if the difference is higher than 80.

F82 M4 is only 23kg lighter than the F80 M3...

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by F80NJM3

It already has more power than the m3. Clearly that hasn't translate to winning numbers around the track. I don't see that happening at the moment. Unless they add another 50-100hp. Even then, I can't imagine beating it around the Green Hell.

I mean even more hp. say 550. It is a lesson learned (by me) never to buy 1st year AMG models- they always make the cars more competitive around LCI, I mean look at the E63, they changed to the turbo added HP/TQ, added AWD, tweaked it right around LCI.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by BEng711

It is amazing how much better looking the M3 is than the C63. I don't see why anyone would buy the C63 other than for pure spec-page bragging rights. The M3 is a better performing car and loads prettier to look at. The C63 looks the same is the non-AMG version other than the quad exhaust. Boring.

Styling is subjective, not everyone will find the M3 attractive(vice versa). I could see someone choosing the C63 as a daily driver, it has the luxury, smoother auto transmission and an effortless power V8tt. Bascially a mini-E63. Also there are many people more interested in roll racing events, rather than track day events. The new 4.0Ltt is going to be a tuners dream.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by F80NJM3

How about a camparo around the Nurburing? Taking these numbers into account, m3 would be a winner by at least 6-7 seconds. BMW does it again.

I think we should wait and see.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Styling is subjective, not everyone will find the M3 attractive(vice versa). I could see someone choosing the C63 as a daily driver, it has the luxury, smoother auto transmission and an effortless power V8tt. Bascially a mini-E63. Also there are many people more interested in roll racing events, rather than track day events. The new 4.0Ltt is going to be a tuners dream.

Well if not for the exterior, then the interior. it is hard for some to justify spending 80k+ with the interior of the M's compared to the C63's.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Wow, definitely wouldn't tick that box if I was ordering a C63. 180lbs additional weight and all the weight is at the highest point.

That roof is what makes the car.

Driving aside that is.

BMW needs the same type of roof. That old moonroof is a joke nowadays.

Would I order a M3 without the CF roof? No

Would I order the MB without the pano roof?

Not a chance.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Styling is subjective, not everyone will find the M3 attractive(vice versa). I could see someone choosing the C63 as a daily driver, it has the luxury, smoother auto transmission and an effortless power V8tt. Bascially a mini-E63. Also there are many people more interested in roll racing events, rather than track day events. The new 4.0Ltt is going to be a tuners dream.

That mini E63 part is the problem...

If straight line and roll racing are your preference... the M157 (the 5.5L TTv8) is, was and will always be a better option...

One other thing that I haven't seen anyone point out is the difference in pricing and what comes in the base car.

The C63s doesn't even come with Navi standard and those stock seats are straight LOL.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Styling is subjective, not everyone will find the M3 attractive(vice versa). I could see someone choosing the C63 as a daily driver, it has the luxury, smoother auto transmission and an effortless power V8tt. Bascially a mini-E63. Also there are many people more interested in roll racing events, rather than track day events. The new 4.0Ltt is going to be a tuners dream.

IMO, the M3/M4 with the busy exterior will age quickly and will depreciate. Merc stuck with a classic look as they always do. I might be wrong. This is not in defence of the Merc.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

That roof is what makes the car.

Driving aside that is.

BMW needs the same type of roof. That old moonroof is a joke nowadays.

Would I order a M3 without the CF roof? No

Would I order the MB without the pano roof?

Not a chance.

Have to agree with this. The pano roof is awesome and the car should not be ordered without it.

[F80NJM3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I mean even more hp. say 550. It is a lesson learned (by me) never to buy 1st year AMG models- they always make the cars more competitive around LCI, I mean look at the E63, they changed to the turbo and HP/TQ, added AWD, tweaked it right around LCI.

I see. Not really familiar with amg not having owned one.
Moreover, I'm looking forward to what the comp package will have to offer if indeed that will be the case.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Well if not for the exterior, then the interior. it is hard for some to justify spending 80k+ with the interior of the M's compared to the C63's.

subjective. for example, i prefer the f8x interior over the c63. i am okay spending that much and getting that interior. on the other hand i am not okay spending $80k and having the exterior of my car look like the c63. like i said subjective.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

IMO, the M3/M4 with the busy exterior will age quickly and will depreciate. Merc stuck with a classic look as they always do. I might be wrong. This is not in defence of the Merc.

I agree the merc look may last longer, but the depreciation on an M3/M4 will not go down... when you get to the secondary markets you have to take into account the boy racers now are looking at the M3/M4 as an option.

I usually buy cars 2nd hand (except for the M) and M3's ridiculously hold their values because there is a larger market for that car- boy racers, track junkies, and the regular folk...

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I mean even more hp. say 550. It is a lesson learned (by me) never to buy 1st year AMG models- they always make the cars more competitive around LCI, I mean look at the E63, they changed to the turbo and HP/TQ, added AWD, tweaked it right around LCI.

It is true. They always make many improvement in the LCI.

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I agree the merc look may last longer, but the depreciation on an M3/M4 will not go down... when you get to the secondary markets you have to take into account the boy racers now are looking at the M3/M4 as an option.

I usually buy cars 2nd hand (except for the M) and M3's ridiculously hold their values because there is a larger market for that car- boy racers, track junkies, and the regular folk...

Completely overlooked that. I stand corrected.

[F80NJM3]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

I think we should wait and see.

Can't wait

[myzmak]

Great comparison, thanks.

"Brute force vs precision" - honestly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

If things were this tight with the C63S one thinks the 'second tier' C63 would have been pummeled a little harder....

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by F80NJM3

Can't wait

hehe me too! I wonder if the elevations and the longer straights on the ring will make the C63S faster than the M.

amazing times for us all

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by myzmak

"Brute force vs precision" - honestly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

+1

[hellrotm]

Now we just need Motor Trends comparo they have been teasing on instagram of the M3, C63S and ATS-V.

[F80NJM3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

hehe me too! I wonder if the elevations and the longer straights on the ring will make the C63S faster than the M.

amazing times for us all

7:50 will be hard to beat...

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Now we just need Motor Trends comparo they have been teasing on instagram of the M3, C63S and ATS-V.

Yep. I agree, there are lot of reviewers saying positive things about how that car handles.

I don't like the CTS Vsport based engine (I heard there is a lot of lag and does not pull hard to redilne).. that's the only knock against it dynamically, although the looks for me doesn't do it... too much chrome and the interior is MEH (subjective).

looks like c and d already made their decision

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by F80NJM3

7:50 will be hard to beat...

You mean 7:52