CAR Magazine: M4 CS vs Guilia QV drag race

dkhm3 · 01-08-2018, 11:26 AM

m4282 · 01-08-2018, 01:57 PM

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Wow what a difference a "mild tune" and cup tires makes.....

CSanto · 01-08-2018, 02:18 PM

great race!

Ian1973 · 01-08-2018, 07:41 PM

Wow that was an a$$ whooping. Shows "light makes right"

uniqueMR · 01-08-2018, 11:45 PM

That's what sup

Go M Power

dkhm3 · 01-09-2018, 04:41 AM

They added another video, with some interesting commentary:

Who's on first · 01-09-2018, 05:08 AM

80k vs 115k
4dr vs 2dr

It better have won.

nicknaz · 01-09-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

They added another video, with some interesting commentary:

Did I hear that right? Alfa was over 4s per lap slower?

Around 1:08 the test driver is commenting the Alfa might be broken and isn't making as much power as it should.

That explains the big lap time gap but is a bigger issue, in my opinion, that the QV isn't working properly/consistently at the track.

Would be interesting to repeat the test with a base m4 with cup 2 tires and a working Alfa

Nice vid OP thanks!

Parabolica · 01-09-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Who's on first

80k vs 115k
4dr vs 2dr

It better have won.

Agreed, not a fair comparison. Should be M3 CP vs QV.

dkhm3 · 01-09-2018, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

Did I hear that right? Alfa was over 4s per lap slower?

Around 1:08 the test driver is commenting the Alfa might be broken and isn't making as much power as it should.

That explains the big lap time gap but is a bigger issue, in my opinion, that the QV isn't working properly/consistently at the track.

Would be interesting to repeat the test with a base m4 with cup 2 tires and a working Alfa

Nice vid OP thanks!

There are quite a few examples of zcp m3's beating qv times on track with stock tires, I am not surprised at the m4 cs track performance, although the drag was a bit of a shocker to see the m4 not only have better traction, but even when the QV hooked up, it wasn't pulling on the M. I think the weight is one factor, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ZF8 was modulating torque a bit as well, vs the snap of the dct. There are certain times my x5m does not seem to be making full power on wot, and I suspect the same zf8 tranny is one cause.

swifty · 01-09-2018, 04:38 PM

I just want to see a QV against ZCP or even a base m3 on same cup tires.

Definitely think the tires on the QV is making it look like a better car than it really is on the track. That and the quick ratio steering.

AW BMW · 01-09-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by swifty

I just want to see a QV against ZCP or even a base m3 on same cup tires.

Definitely think the tires on the QV is making it look like a better car than it really is on the track. That and the quick ratio steering.

I second everything you stated, I am of the same opinion!

dkhm3 · 01-09-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by swifty

I just want to see a QV against ZCP or even a base m3 on same cup tires.

Definitely think the tires on the QV is making it look like a better car than it really is on the track. That and the quick ratio steering.

closest thing I have seen is a zcp vs guilia but with stock tires.

CanAutM3 · 01-10-2018, 09:32 PM

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closest thing I have seen is a zcp vs guilia but with stock tires.

A few more track comparison test (non-German, as to not upset mcc3456 with Germanic bias

)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/540899/e...des-amg-c63-s/

https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/auto-moto/vid...drifoglio.html

mcc3456 · 01-12-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A few more track comparison test (non-German, as to not upset mcc3456 with Germanic bias

)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/540899/e...des-amg-c63-s/

https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/auto-moto/vid...drifoglio.html

Of course, this doesn’t matter, right?

m4282 · 01-12-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mcc3456

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A few more track comparison test (non-German, as to not upset mcc3456 with Germanic bias

)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/540899/e...des-amg-c63-s/

https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/auto-moto/vid...drifoglio.html

Of course, this doesn’t matter, right?

No..... please someone compare the Alfa vs the m3/4 comp with cup tires, the results will not be in favor of Alfa even in the closest.

mcc3456 · 01-12-2018, 09:52 PM

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No..... please someone compare the Alfa vs the m3/4 comp with cup tires, the results will not be in favor of Alfa even in the closest.

How about the Alfa vs the M4CS on Sport Cup 2 tires instead?

CanAutM3 · 01-13-2018, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mcc3456

How about the Alfa vs the M4CS on Sport Cup 2 tires instead?

There is a foot note with the track times. The cars were not tested in the same track conditions...

m4282 · 01-13-2018, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mcc3456

How about the Alfa vs the M4CS on Sport Cup 2 tires instead?

There is a foot note with the track times. The cars were not tested in the same track conditions...

exactly and track times show .5 tenths of a second difference in favor of BMW over Alfa.

CanAutM3 · 01-13-2018, 08:45 AM

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exactly and track times show .5 tenths of a second difference in favor of BMW over Alfa.

This particular test has the Alfa QV faster than the M4CS by 0.1 seconds...

But like I said, the cars were not tested in the same track conditions.

allinon72 · 01-13-2018, 11:39 AM

Looks wise, the m4 is 4 years old and still looks more menacing and modern than the homely QV. IMO of course.

mcc3456 · 01-13-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This particular test has the Alfa QV faster than the M4CS by 0.1 seconds...

But like I said, the cars were not tested in the same track conditions.

Always with the excuses...

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