Brand new F80 M3 rolled totalled! WOW!

[Meanie]

Originally Posted by P1et

How fast does one need to be travelling to cause this kind of damage?

My guess is that you need to hit something to roll the car and be at least 75mph+. I could be wrong though. There are far better drivers than me here that know the limits and variables.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by P1et

How fast does one need to be travelling to cause this kind of damage?

Depends on:

1) What you hit and what what angle.

2) Whether you impact said object at full rate of travel, or whether you scrub speed either by skidding or braking first.

These two factors make it very difficult to nail down an exact rate of travel from wreckage photographs. If you're traveling at 70 MPH and you hit a concrete pillar (like the kind that supports a roadway bridge) without slowing down at all, it's going to do some serious damage.

On the other hand, I was once driving 75 MPH on I-95 here in South Florida when a woman in a Mazda 3, driving with one hand, talking on a cell phone, blew by me, swerved left off the roadway, over-corrected, and went skidding in to a stand of pine trees. Her car was hardly damaged! She skidded so long over the road (she did a complete 360 across three lanes of traffic and hit no one) and through the dirt that her car had a chance to slow down a lot. She got out of the car and was so un-phased that her primary concern was "oh my god where is my phone?"

If I had to guess, I'd say this person was traveling faster than 70 or 80 MPH, but it's hard to say exactly how fast. If they skid in to the dirt and the car started rolling while they were still going +50 MPH, this kind of damage isn't all that unexpected. On the other hand, they could have been doing +100 MPH and skidded for a while before rolling. Who knows?

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Lups

I know one dude even from this forum who has spun his badly already, but I'm like a priest, can't tell who it is. I just skated through a tiny milk run, and saw pics of Indiana being covered in snow. I want to take this toy to snow too, but the chances of a minor non driver related mishap kind of ruins it for me. So pathetic.

I think I know who your talking about but I won't say any names either I have to admit these pictures are doing a good job calming down my I-think-i'm-a-racecar-driver's spirit, guess I won't be passing people up on 1 lane B roads anymore... And driving in the snow sounds cool but paying for a new set of winter wheels doesn't lol

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Powaup

I think I know who your talking about but I won't say any names either I have to admit these pictures are doing a good job calming down my I-think-i'm-a-racecar-driver's spirit, guess I won't be passing people up on 1 lane B roads anymore... And driving in the snow sounds cool but paying for a new set of winter wheels doesn't lol

Hahaa, our egos are safe!

I've been pretty calm lately too, it wasn't the pics but Redmond pd has started a campaign against us, a dude got a ticket for going less than 5 miles over the limit a few days ago.

I had to get a set of tires to the Audi too. 3500 is going to be spent by me to tires alone this week and that number indeed makes me maybe leave the lights without tail flying around for once. I think it is safe to say milk is getting expensive.

[Acheron83]

Originally Posted by Diver

He must have drove right into a heard of rhinoceros.

Bit hard to call it a herd when there are so few of the damn things left in this country

[fravel]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

How realistic is it to expect someone to spot you in their mirror if you're closing on them at 60-70 MPH (assuming they were traveling somewhere around 80 MPH). At that rate of closure, you are a spec in their mirror that rapidly becomes an object of concern.

I'm not saying you shouldn't drive 150 MPH on the autobahn, I'm only saying that in most matters of roadway etiquette, it's up to everyone to observe the road ahead of them first and foremost. I can't wrap my head around the idea that it'd be my fault for moving left if you rear ended me because you were driving 150 MPH and couldn't react fast enough.

100% absolutely disagree. It's up to everyone observe the road in every direction, especially when you are moving laterally (between lanes). A driver in a given lane has the right-of-way to their lane over drivers in adjacent lanes. Just because you fancy a lane change doesn't mean everyone around you has to bend to your will.

If you are going to change lanes it is entirely your responsibility to verify that the lane you are going into is in fact open. Rate of travel is irrelevant, especially when the rate of travel is within legal limits.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

How realistic is it to expect someone to spot you in their mirror if you're closing on them at 60-70 MPH (assuming they were traveling somewhere around 80 MPH). At that rate of closure, you are a spec in their mirror that rapidly becomes an object of concern.

I'm not saying you shouldn't drive 150 MPH on the autobahn, I'm only saying that in most matters of roadway etiquette, it's up to everyone to observe the road ahead of them first and foremost. I can't wrap my head around the idea that it'd be my fault for moving left if you rear ended me because you were driving 150 MPH and couldn't react fast enough. IMO, driving at that rate of speed is a huge responsibility. Ultimately, you have to judge the conditions around you, but I would only drive at those speeds with a completely clear roadway ahead of me.

I understand your point of view. I have driven on the autobahn for 15 years and agree everyone should observe the road ahead and drive to the conditions hence why I stated ' when weather conditions/traffic are conducive' . The road does not need to be totally clear of traffic, but not busy.

Just for info, it doesn't matter what my or your opinion is- the law states that if you change lanes and are rear ended on the autobahn you are at fault.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Lups

Hahaa, our egos are safe!

I've been pretty calm lately too, it wasn't the pics but Redmond pd has started a campaign against us, a dude got a ticket for going less than 5 miles over the limit a few days ago.

I had to get a set of tires to the Audi too. 3500 is going to be spent by me to tires alone this week and that number indeed makes me maybe leave the lights without tail flying around for once. I think it is safe to say milk is getting expensive.

5 miles over the limit ?!?! yea there is hate involved here

and what kind of tires are you buying that cost $3500? that Audi must be riding on 26 inch wheels LOL

[Sean@PSI]

Glad everyone is OK!

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Powaup

5 miles over the limit ?!?! yea there is hate involved here

and what kind of tires are you buying that cost $3500? that Audi must be riding on 26 inch wheels LOL

Haha, only one choice and idiotic wheels. Plus the sum has Peter's rubber in it. I just am going to be an adult from now on and not destroy tires. Man, I did not know you can turn awd cars ruber bald in less than ten thousand miles, but I am going to be an adult about this and hide the invoice...

[Imola.ZHP]

Originally Posted by X2Board

Holy crap!! Is that the carbon fiber roof lying on the ground?

I didn't read 6 pages, but you do realize the roof was most likely cut off of the car to extract the driver, right?

The roof didn't just fall off the car.

[DeeKay]

My god! That's some serious damage!

[F20E30]

Originally Posted by Powaup

I think I know who your talking about but I won't say any names either I have to admit these pictures are doing a good job calming down my I-think-i'm-a-racecar-driver's spirit, guess I won't be passing people up on 1 lane B roads anymore... And driving in the snow sounds cool but paying for a new set of winter wheels doesn't lol

I'd hope so since this was you two days ago.

You're going to kill someone driving like this.

[Meanie]

Originally Posted by F20E30

I'd hope so since this was you two days ago.

You're going to kill someone driving like this.

Wow! Lol!

[ss134]

Originally Posted by F20E30

I'd hope so since this was you two days ago.

You're going to kill someone driving like this.

F***ing idiot.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by F20E30

I'd hope so since this was you two days ago.

You're going to kill someone driving like this.

Originally Posted by Meanie

Wow! Lol!

Originally Posted by ss134

F***ing idiot.

Yea I'm a dumb ass for this I'll never do anything close to that again

[s85e90]

Originally Posted by Powaup

Yea I'm a dumb ass for this I'll never do anything close to that again

Passing in a blind corner on a road where there's no passing. You don't deserve the car at all. Idiot is a nice thing to say.

[Carl L]

The video posted of member Powaup posted by F20E30 is one of the most reckless pieces of driving I've ever seen caught on camera. I won't be doing so, but if someone sends that to the CHP I would understand it. Imagine a family (observing every law) coming the other way with no idea there's 3600lbs of metal flying at them in the wrong direction...

[roadmax]

The carbon fiber roof appears to have delaminated completely from the metal roof frame, that is not a good sign.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by fravel

100% absolutely disagree. It's up to everyone observe the road in every direction, especially when you are moving laterally (between lanes). A driver in a given lane has the right-of-way to their lane over drivers in adjacent lanes. Just because you fancy a lane change doesn't mean everyone around you has to bend to your will.

That's not at all what I was saying. If you want to speak in absolutes, go right ahead, but don't be surprised when no one finds your views reasonable.

Originally Posted by fravel

If you are going to change lanes it is entirely your responsibility to verify that the lane you are going into is in fact open. Rate of travel is irrelevant, especially when the rate of travel is within legal limits.

I'm not saying that I can change lanes whenever I want. All I'm saying is that when you're driving 150 MPH, you have to consider your rate of closure and the ability of drivers in front of you to see you in their mirrors.

Have you ever been passed by someone doing 70 MPH faster than you? I haven't, but I have been passed by someone of the crazy ass South Florida drivers that will do 100+ MPH on I-95. When someone is closing in on you at a rate of closure greater than 50 MPH, it is really hard to judge just how fast they're coming. Mirrors are small, and difficult to estimate rate of closure, because the other vehicle isn't translating across your field of view; they're simply getting bigger.

All I'm saying is that as the person traveling at 150 MPH looking forward, you should consider that the guy in front of you has a harder time seeing you than you do seeing him. I'm not absolving myself of responsibility during a lane change. To the contrary. I advocate keeping your ass in the right lane unless necessary. That makes it easier for faster traffic and safer for everyone, because you're behaving predictably.

[Carl L]

Originally Posted by roadmax

The carbon fiber roof appears to have delaminated completely from the metal roof frame, that is not a good sign.

It was cut off.