Piston Heads: M3 ZCP vs Giulia QV vs C63 S

[DS_BMW]

Has there actually bin a review that the Alfa does not have some kind of problem?

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Has there actually bin a review that the Alfa does not have some kind of problem?

C and D stalled after remote start failed

Motortrend's Guilia (2 of them) had stalled randomly, once requiring a flatbed

Consumer Reports Guilia (non QV) long term car has spent so much time in the dealer they are frustrated with electrical issues.

Jalopnik's Guilia has rattles and infotainment issues

Pistonheads- Limp Mode.

[scorped]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

C and D stalled after remote start failed

Motortrend's Guilia (2 of them) had stalled randomly, once requiring a flatbed

Consumer Reports Guilia (non QV) long term car has spent so much time in the dealer they are frustrated with electrical issues.

Jalopnik's Guilia has rattles and infotainment issues

Pistonheads- Limp Mode.

Actually Jalopnik had a limp mode issue as well, during a normal highway drive:

http://jalopnik.com/the-alfa-romeo-g...ian-1796883384

[Bamaben]

"Nobody likes the e36 M3"?
There's not an M3 I don't like.

[Bonovox]

All true to type. The M3, cold, efficient assassin. The Merc, a hooligan wolf in sheep's clothing, but just not as results oriented as the M3. The Alfa, sexy, tempting, but just too risky.

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by dantm3

Look guys.. true fact
87.56% of all Alfas built are still on the road.


















The other 12.44% made it home .

Bahahah

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by domino_z

are there any reviews where an alfa doesn't shit itself

this is becoming hilarious, never seen an epic failure rate like this with a car before

CEL all day errrday!
All BMW has to prove is a few less CELs and Alfa owners will trade in by droves....

[dmboone25]

I really liked the look of the Alfa, and there's no doubt it makes a great noise - but there's no way I would consider one here in the USA - my closest dealer would be ~30 miles away. It's just not worth it in my opinion - hopefully these bugs get sorted out sooner rather than later for them. It's good for competition to have more than just Audi and Merc in the comparison tests.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by domino_z

are there any reviews where an alfa doesn't shit itself

this is becoming hilarious, never seen an epic failure rate like this with a car before

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I could have swear MT had problems with their car too.

Also that is my problem with a lot of reviewers that overlooks these things. Normal people actually DO care for reliability. I can careless about how good a Quad is, if you have to flatbed the damn thing so much what is the point.

[domino_z]

Originally Posted by Arcades

I could have swear MT had problems with their car too.

Also that is my problem with a lot of reviewers that overlooks these things. Normal people actually DO care for reliability. I can careless about how good a Quad is, if you have to flatbed the damn thing so much what is the point.

iirc there were 3 mags/vloggers who did this same comparo at the same time - every road test had same cadillac, merc and m3, but a different alfa lolz

edit - here's one of them

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...omparison-test

[N & M]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Starting to see a pattern with the Guilia in practically every review, and not in a good way.

I still think the M3 is the boss but can't help the feeling that things would have been very different if the Alfa worked... let's hope the next M3/M4 widens the gap and resolves some the shortcomings of the current car.

[Bamaben]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Starting to see a pattern with the Guilia in practically every review, and not in a good way.

Good info but the driving didn't offer much. Could have just sat at table and been as helpful

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Giulia is akin to dating a hot stripper. Sexy and fun but hard to live with.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

Giulia is akin to dating a hot stripper. Sexy and fun but hard to live with.

At least the stripper brings home cash . . .

[aci72]

The review from Chris Harris is not that bad..as for driving sideway, it depends from the driver
Chris seems to do a lot of it
https://www.google.co.kr/url?sa=t&so...69tQGoAnzK06xA

[michal12]

It is such a shame.. I think BMW needs competition as it is for the benefit of us, buyers. Lets not forget what Nissan GT-R did for 911 Turbo. The difference between 997.1 and 997.2 is night and day.

[decimation1]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

I have an 2001 E39 540i 6-Speed in my garage and it's still one of the best cars I have ever had

I just sold my E39 540iA and I am still kind of bummed about it. Definitely one of the best cars I have ever owned....

[cbertels]

Originally Posted by Bonovox

All true to type. The M3, cold, efficient assassin. The Merc, a hooligan wolf in sheep's clothing, but just not as results oriented as the M3. The Alfa, sexy, tempting, but just too risky.

Agreed!

[tallshortguy]

FCA, of all companies, tried to build this platform from the ground up in 2-2.5 years. That was never going to be a recipe for reliability and I think most of us saw this coming from a mile away. As seemingly attractive the Alfa is, I would never seriously consider a Giulia due to a constant fear of something significant breaking.

My BMW has had some electrical bits have issues but mechanically it's been rock solid so far.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Zayzel

Sitting here at work listening to these 3 review the cars in the background with iphone earbuds in... busted out laughing last 30 seconds of the video. Thanks for this

me too - just running for it lolol

[Jono2112]

Well, you never hear the phrase, "Italian reliability" for a reason. You also don't here, "sexy German styling" either. Except in reference to Marlina Detricht, of course she was a U.S. citizen...