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02-19-2013, 11:12 AM | #23 |
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well that may be but they weren't sitting on the showroom floor for long. but take a look on the forums here at club M-DCT and 6MT. The 6MT has almost double the amount of members.
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I'm guessing the take-rate for the DCT has gotten higher each successive year, as it's proven to be a good option, faster, etc. I'm sure sales of the early years were affected by bad memories (and reviews) of the SMG.
Think it will be a no-cost option on the new M3/4? The manual is a no-cost option on the M5. Pretty much a given that will be the final time it's offered in that car... |
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He specifically said you can NEVER expect this to happen.
If you want AWD with an M badge, get an X5 or X6.
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Gah it annoys me that we're talking AWD because we'll be at 600+HP in a few years and still getting 15mpg. This horsepower war has got to change. How about a 400HP car that gets 30mpg (or more?) and doesn't need AWD to put the power down. That's the technology I want. Here's to hoping the new NSX delivers some innovative engine tech (yes I know it will be AWD).
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Looking at some of the people on this forum who are likely more of an enthusiast than the average joe, they would still pick the F10 M5 over the E63 AMG 4Matic when it comes out. If you have sales data comparing the RS 6 vs. both the E63 AMG and M5 showing the trend towards the RS6's Quattro setup, I take back everything I said. |
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I'm with you Dave...right now, based on what I have heard, I am very interested in the 4. All depends on how it handles at the track. IMHO, it is have luxury feel for day-to-day use (M5) or parting with them for a more appropriate vehicle for track use (M3/4). The older I get, the more I think I may opt for the latter - dare I say P-car?
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I'm with you Dave...right now, based on what I have heard, I am very interested in the 4. All depends on how it handles at the track. IMHO, it is have luxury feel for day-to-day use (M5) or parting with them for a more appropriate vehicle for track use (M3/4). The older I get, the more I think I may opt for the latter - dare I say P-car?
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I do think we will see more M tuned models though. Like: M335i/M435i xDrive. We already have an M135i xDrive and M550d xDrive models. Soon we will see an M650d xDrive too. Its only a matter of when not IF BMW starts rolling out more and more M-tuned cars to fit between a hard core M model and the "softer" AG tuned cars.
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This guy has no idea what he is talking about period. Reason is if future generations of M5/M6 increases torque to keep in with the competition than BMW has no choice but put AWD on the cars. These cars already put out crazy torque number and to put more torque in future models to keep up with the competition without AWD BMW M5/M6 will either just spin it's wheels or have tires as wide as the car, or just spin it's tires while the competition drives away. Also the market is asking for AWD as we can see with Audi's increasing sales and AMG adding AWD. Also to say AWD cars can't handle is retarded as the GT-R has supercar performance with AWD. The M3 models are still ok with RWD because the torque and power is low enough that you can get traction. |
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1. BMW sales projections thinks manuals would consist of a "significant" portion of sales for our M3s. 2. Initial DCT development just finished, and the E9X M3 was the first car outfitted with this. BMW had to recoup development cost, so those who really wanted a DCT, would have to pay up for it. I think these are the two reasons E60 M5 and the new F10 M5 offer manuals as a no-cost option...simply more SMG/DCT sales, and the SMG/DCT development costs has been recouped, or mainly offset, and if you're cynical, for production cost perspective, it's easier to offer a cookie-cutter option than to continue minor developments and updates on a 6MT. just my thoughts, I think it's 100% a business, development cost reasons. |
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Its very simple, make all cars RWD and leave the xDrive as an option, just like you have the DCT with a Manual option. Some people will buy these cars with AWD and some will take them with RWD. But if you offer AWD, Audi wont be happy!
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This is why ///M is doing M performance models...to have more variety with XDrive and diesel options. I think it's great that they're sticking to their core values. A sharp contrast to the AG cars.
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There is no need to make AWD standard on all the M models, but it 100% should be an option for those who live in the North. I have been on the fence about an M5 for almost a year and if I don't find my R8 soon, I will likely order the 2014 M5 (LCI). However, the one negative in the back of my head is the RWD. I would be driving the M5 all year round and its nice to have an AWD car in the winter here, not to mention it would put down the power in the summer as well. That would be the most logical thing for ///M to do, MAKE IT AN OPTION, NOT STANDARD!
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Light Chassis: 3,400lbs or less. RWD Active ///M Differential: This is what really makes the RWD potent enough to compete with AWD. Greater Torque (around 400ft/lbs): With the ///M Differential, we'll be able to use more torque more efficiently, meaning no more spinning tires off the line and such. Even some of the fastest Porsches don't have any more than 450hp. I think the M4 is going to be very very fast with great luxury, tech features, design, and convenience. Plus I think it's going to look really cool with the 4 series getting a wider stance and lower roof line than the current E92. Time will tell!
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