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      10-27-2016, 03:00 AM   #1
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CSF x VF "GAME CHANGER" Top mount charge-air-cooler

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Prototypes hot out of the oven, and on their way to SEMA



A true 50/50 partnership. Bringing together 2 premier BMW high performance tuning companies
  • Designed by VF Engineering using state-of-the-art 3D scanning, 3D prototyping, and air-flow analysis for the absolute biggest, most efficient, and well designed market offering available today.
  • Manufactured by CSF using steel-mould custom cast endtanks, a custom built air-to-water intercooler core that is made in-house, and assembled by CSF's master welders.

    Lab testing versus OEM from CSF, Dyno testing by VF, and on track testing by Yost Autosport's new endurance racing M4 race car coming soon.

    World Debut next week at SEMA - CSF booth #21563 in Central Hall - 1st batch of delivery expected between 12/15-to-12/28

    (Combine this cooler with our GAME OVER heat exchanger for the largest power increase and lowest IATs)

    Multiple finishes will be in stock and ready to go. Also, we'll be offering the option to fully customize the cooler with custom finishes to match any taste.


Prototype matte wrinkle light black
*Disclaimer - this is a prototype paint option, and also is a picture of the 1st trial of powder-coating these units. Production quality will be perfect, and will have the same high level of quality and product standards as all CSF / VF racing products.

More pictures of other paint options and detailed information coming soon!

We'll be happy to answer any questions that anyone may have. Cheers!



11/15/2016 Update:


Sorry for the delay in getting back to everyone with an update. We've been very busy with the SEMA show, and now trying to catch up with everything, etc...

Anyway, here is a current update on the development of this new charge-air-cooler.
  1. VF Engineering was scheduled to have this cooler on the dyno late last week / early this week. I haven't had a chance to touch base with them this week, but we should be getting together to discuss dyno results in the next week or so.
  2. VF Engineering is also trying to schedule a drag-strip session to test the performance in back-to-back run full throttle conditions.
    - They're attempting to run 2 cars with multiple test configurations (w and w/o charge air cooler, and/or with upgraded CSF "Game Over" heat exchanger) against a stock stage 1 tuned version.
  3. Yost Autosport has this cooler installed in their vehicle, and it was on display at our booth at SEMA. They got theirs custom powder coated to match their livery scheme.
    - They've also just tested the performance of the cooler with our race heat exchanger (50 rows), and upgraded dual-pass DCT cooler - no quantifiable data given yet, but the testimonial was "The cooler is cold as ice after an all-out 1 hour + session on the track"
    - They'll be testing their car again, in preparation of the 25 Hours of Thunderhill, this weekend at California Speedway. I'll be there personally, and I'm expecting it to be in the high 80's / low 90's at the track.. Will report back with results.







  4. We got a lot of good feedback on our new cooler design from our dealers and other members of this community from around the world at the show which we value greatly. We're pretty much good to go with production starting next week with a few final touches to be implemented. We'll be airfreighting the 1st 20 units to try and have them here before Christmas. About 8 of them have already been spoken for (including Pure Performance's personal vehicle). Also, if anyone is local So-Cal, and is going to be at the Speed District event this Sunday, you can check our Ian's (DoctorFord on IG) or Yost Autosport's vehicles - they have this cooler installed.
  5. Lab testing from our ISO certified lab will be released before the final production model will be available to market.
  6. Here are some pictures of the production level "Crinkle" black powder coating that will be the stocking version of this cooler. This one was painted locally in Orange County, CA by local experts Embee Performance. This one with raw/exposed hardware. Options are endless!








11/22/2016 Update:


1st one on the streets:



Custom painted - flat crinkle black with painted white accents.

Data coming soon
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      10-27-2016, 04:33 AM   #2
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Any data demonstrating IAT suppression (vs. the OEM setup) over single gear/multi-gear pulls, prolonged driving, etc. etc.?
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      10-27-2016, 02:58 PM   #4
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Any data demonstrating IAT suppression (vs. the OEM setup) over single gear/multi-gear pulls, prolonged driving, etc. etc.?
We just received the 1st set of prototype coolers yesterday (pictured above). We'll be getting all the data together, and we'll be releasing everything before the product is available for sale.
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Any data demonstrating IAT suppression (vs. the OEM setup) over single gear/multi-gear pulls, prolonged driving, etc. etc.?
+1, in for RAW data.
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Looks like VF Engineering is testing the prototype already.

Time to see how I can get my hands on one!


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Originally Posted by CSF Cooling
Prototypes hot out of the oven, and on their way to SEMA



A true 50/50 partnership. Bringing together 2 premier BMW high performance tuning companies
  • Designed by VF Engineering using state-of-the-art 3D scanning, 3D prototyping, and air-flow analysis for the absolute biggest, most efficient, and well designed market offering available today.

  • Manufactured by CSF using steel-mould custom cast endtanks, a custom built air-to-water intercooler core that is made in-house, and assembled by CSF's master welders.

    Lab testing versus OEM from CSF, Dyno testing by VF, and on track testing by Yost Autosport's new endurance racing M4 race car coming soon.

    World Debut next week at SEMA - CSF booth #21563 in Central Hall - 1st batch of delivery expected between 12/15-to-12/28

    (Combine this cooler with our GAME OVER heat exchanger for the largest power increase and lowest IATs)

    Multiple finishes will be in stock and ready to go. Also, we'll be offering the option to fully customize the cooler with custom finishes to match any taste.


Prototype matte wrinkle light black
*Disclaimer - this is a prototype paint option, and also is a picture of the 1st trial of powder-coating these units. Production quality will be perfect, and will have the same high level of quality and product standards as all CSF / VF racing products.

More pictures of other paint options and detailed information coming soon!

We'll be happy to answer any questions that anyone may have. Cheers!
very interested in both intercooler and heat exchanger. what is the pricing and and hp numbers?
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Interested in cost?
Don't want to break any forum rules, but if you want the exact price - please PM me.

I'll give you a hint though - there is a $1xxx and not a 2,3,4,or 5xxx in the front..

We're looking to give the market the absolute best value possible with our new cooling products.

We also had Speedhunters drop by the office today as the landed in LA on their way to Vegas for SEMA... They were kind enough to pull the cameras out and drop some awesome shots of the products in our warehouse.




As mentioned above, VF Engineering got their 1st prototypes delivered last night - they've already started testing - here is a full size pic of the one posted above.



YOST Autosport got their cooler this morning for their widebody race car unveil at SEMA next week - there is a crazy color way for their cooler, and I'm looking forward to sharing some more pics!!
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Interested in cost?
Don't want to break any forum rules, but if you want the exact price - please PM me.

I'll give you a hint though - there is a $1xxx and not a 2,3,4,or 5xxx in the front..

We're looking to give the market the absolute best value possible with our new cooling products.

We also had Speedhunters drop by the office today as the landed in LA on their way to Vegas for SEMA... They were kind enough to pull the cameras out and drop some awesome shots of the products in our warehouse.




As mentioned above, VF Engineering got their 1st prototypes delivered last night - they've already started testing - here is a full size pic of the one posted above.



YOST Autosport got their cooler this morning for their widebody race car unveil at SEMA next week - there is a crazy color way for their cooler, and I'm looking forward to sharing some more pics!!
Am I able to get one without the logo on top ?
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Don't want to break any forum rules, but if you want the exact price - please PM me.

I'll give you a hint though - there is a $1xxx and not a 2,3,4,or 5xxx in the front..

We're looking to give the market the absolute best value possible with our new cooling products.
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I'd be interested in one also without the logo.
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+1 on no logo and uncoated version...might want to get it polished or do a custom color.
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Unfortunately they're not likely to be available without a logo.

Between our own team and CSF, we have a lot of time and effort into the development of this unit. We started in house by digitally scanning the engine bay and physical dimensions of the OEM unit. We then drew up a couple variations in CAD which we were then able to rapid prototype on our 3D printer for test fitting. After we determined the physical dimensions we had to work with we went back to the computer for CFD analysis.

Following the initial development work, all of that data was sent of to CSF to begin the manufacturing process, so we could then get to the point of laboratory testing in their wind tunnel.

What you guys are seeing above are the first test units which are the fruits of our collective labor. The good news, we've got the first test unit on our car which will be hitting the dyno this afternoon. With SEMA being next week, we'll collect some data logs on our drive to and from Vegas, but won't be able to start full instrument testing until the week following.

We also have TWO more sample units in stock.
For any interested existing HEX Tuning customers, feel free to PM or e-mail is if you want to participate in testing. We would prefer local Southern California customers, unless you already have data from your local dyno shop / race track / or VBox numbers to work with.

For everyone else, pre-ordering will be open soon, and there will be tons of data between the heat exchanger and charge cooler which should make you proud to rock the logos.








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Solid work gents!
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Pm me pricing on the black intercooler and street heat exchanger please
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Sounds like the price is reasonable.
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I'm sure this benefits tuned cars much more than stock, but outside of tuned cars, any benefits installing this on a stock tune car power wise?
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