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Not disagreeing, just highly skeptical we will see the M3 numbers overtake (or even approach) the M4. A coupe buyer is looking for a coupe. A sedan, well a sedan. Coupe owners will most likely show repeat coupe purchases. Also, it is still a sports car. Most sports car buyers prefer a coupe as it is perceived as being more ... Sporty. Dealerships seem to be disproportionally stocking M4's. To the point where I found it very difficult to even locate an M3 on the lot. And I know its not because they sold them all. |
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myzmak, I'm in agreement with all of what you have to say in this thread. one thing I think you're forgetting though is that the production ratio of M4's : M3's is more or less set by BMW rather than demand. I wouldn't be surprised if they begin shifting more production toward the sedan as they see them spending less time on dealer lots.
no question in my mind that the demand for the sedan vs. the coupe is significantly stronger than it was in the previous generation, even if it won't ever reach parity with the coupe. the hips on the sedan just give it a presence and aggressiveness that isn't quite there with the coupe. |
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And I was wrong BMW projected a 7:1 ratio. https://www.carthrottle.com/post/bmw...-daily-driver/ ....which I seriously doubt they are going to end up with..... Edit: also quoted here https://www.carthrottle.com/post/why...e-ever-driven/
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BMW M3 Vs M4: Which Would You Have As Your Deadly Daily Driver Based on predicted figures, BMW estimates that a massive'' 61 per cent of sales will go to the M4 coupe during the car’s life cycle, which is followed by 28 per cent for the forthcoming M4 convertible and 11 per cent for the M3 saloon.
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I also believe the sedan will do much better Vs the coupe this time around. The fact that it's more practical for me and doesn't sacrifice much if any performance is a big deal. Also I have a vert DD and owned a coupe before and now I am a little older. Maybe the higher demand for the 4dr is because the average age of M drivers is getting up there and we just want the practicality.
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If you look at some of the M4 stock at some of these dealers Absolutely insane. And I'd rather have the M3, even if the car was free.
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I wanted to buy an e36 m as a "beater/airport" car. Guys have lost their damn minds with current e36 prices.
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It doesn't help that the E90/E92 was the heaviest M3 available either. A lot of people also forget about the amount of hate the V8 got when it was first introduced. People claimed it wasn't a real "M" because it wasn't an inline 6 and it weighed as much as the previous 5 series.
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The market for sedans is obviously larger than that for coupes, so raw numbers favor the sedan form factor. Now we can observe and reasonably conclude that, as a buyer's priorities tend toward performance, the coupe form factor's popularity also increases. But there is plenty of room for performance sedans as you can see with popular models such as the C63, M5, or S4 for example. Quote:
However, since you brought it up, it begs the question - when you take two doors off a sedan, re-contour the roofline, and change little else (which is what a 4 Series is to a 3 Series, and what a M4 is to an M3) do you genuinely now have a sports car? We won't debate that here, but I would encourage you to ponder that and discuss it in the appropriate thread which you can locate via search if you have an opinion. Quote:
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I went sedan -> coupe -> sedan. It happens. I have never felt my M sedans to be 'less sporty' than the coupe counters. Hell my next car may be an M2. |
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Nevertheless, I think it is fair to say that most people stick with what form factor suits them until they have a reason to change (start a family or, conversely, send kids off to college, for example). |
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Having said that, I do recall once suggesting that there could be a period of time over which the F80 M3 would outsell the F82 M4. I don't think it will happen necessarily, but to me the disparity in the numbers when you compare 3 Series and 4 Series sales (where the sedan absolutely obliterates the coupe) to M3 and M4 sales represents lost opportunity on BMW's part. If more 335i buyers were aware of the M3, and more specifically, were aware that it gives up nearly nothing to the 335i (I am talking about the sDrive model here) in terms of practicality and functionality, I suspect they could convert an appreciable number (let's say 15% as a SWAG) of those 335i sales to M3 sales. I don't know how much that would be in absolute terms, but it would be in the thousands of vehicles I'd have to guess. Granted what you really want are conquest sales but failing to upsell obviously represents lost revenue as well. |
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With the turbo engine, even the mileage is decent. We will always wonder how many M3's could have been sold if they had started out with a higher production target. It may be an opportunity forever lost because the average consumer is not waiting months to get an M3. They will buy something else and it may not be BMW. |
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