How is the manual transmission?

stuka · 03-07-2015, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

I hate to sound like an idiot, but I've been driving my E92 M3 with 6MT for three years and don't understand what you all mean by grinding into second gear. TBH I still to this day struggle to drive off smoothly in first from a stop, but everything after that is great. And that's after three years of 18k miles/year driving in Bay Area 101 traffic.

For a normal drive off what's the ideal min. rev? Maybe I'm just doing it wrong...

Anyway I ordered my M4 with the 6MT, but I've been self-doubting because the E92 makes me feel like I'm a subpar manual driver (welp maybe I am).

My E90 grinds from 1st to 2nd enough that I notice it. It only does it when the car was cold.

The worse part of the E90 clutch was that it was way too over assisted. Reminded me of the POS over assisted 911 Turbo clutches. 0 feel, way too soft, and annoying on hill starts.

stuka · 03-07-2015, 10:07 PM

Anyone here who has owned an E46 or E36 M3's?

Can you confirm that the F8x clutch is heavier like these two M3's?

Or is it super soft like stepping on dog excrement like the E9x?

elias · 03-08-2015, 11:33 AM

Ive driven Porsches and a lot of different cars with MT and this clutch is more
to the softer side which I was very surprised. It's a little softer than I would
like but after a few weeks I got used to it . Now I have grown to like it.

biggripper · 03-08-2015, 04:06 PM

Can anyone comment on how the clutch pedal feel of the M4 compares to the clutch pedal in the R56 JCW? I’ve found my JCW clutch pedal to be mostly spot on but perhaps a tad on the heavy side. I seem to recall the clutch pedal in my buddy’s 1M was lighter by comparison but had a more predictable feel.

X2Board · 03-08-2015, 08:57 PM

I have no issues with the clutch feel on this car, it's engages in the "sweet spot" of pedal travel, and the weight is just right. The shifter is just sublime, with well defined gates, you would really have to be ham fisted to money shift this car.

filetitan · 03-08-2015, 11:20 PM

So all my cars have been manual and I am thinking about making the switch to DCT on the M4. Test drove one a few days ago and I liked it. My only fear is getting "bored" with it.

HockeyDad · 03-09-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by filetitan

So all my cars have been manual and I am thinking about making the switch to DCT on the M4. Test drove one a few days ago and I liked it. My only fear is getting "bored" with it.

You will.....

Pick the 6MT. As others have mentioned, it's very precise, tight, engages really well, nice clutch take up, etc.

5 months on mine and really enjoying it. Not even bothered by the rev-match feature - I generally drive in sport+.

filetitan · 03-09-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyDad

You will.....

Pick the 6MT. As others have mentioned, it's very precise, tight, engages really well, nice clutch take up, etc.

5 months on mine and really enjoying it. Not even bothered by the rev-match feature - I generally drive in sport+.

thanks for the feedback =)

AM4ZING · 03-09-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyDad

You will.....

Pick the 6MT. As others have mentioned, it's very precise, tight, engages really well, nice clutch take up, etc.

5 months on mine and really enjoying it. Not even bothered by the rev-match feature - I generally drive in sport+.

Im hoping there is a button to turn the rev-match feature off.... since, YOU KNOW, I AM BUYING A MANUAL TRANSMISSION! HAHA

ES_TRADER · 03-09-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stuka

Anyone here who has owned an E46 or E36 M3's?

Can you confirm that the F8x clutch is heavier like these two M3's?

Or is it super soft like stepping on dog excrement like the E9x?

i have e36M, F80 clutch is probably 50% lighter...definitely noticeable...it will be the first thing u noticed when u clutch to start the f8x motor..i drove my e36 to test drive the f80 and after the test drive i got back in the e36 and it felt like a dinosaur...more strain on the foot...at first i didnt like it, preferred the heavier clutch but after a while like most have said u get used to it and like it. e36 driving in traffic id get shin splints and my leg would nearly give out...now its a non issue

arunym · 03-09-2015, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by filetitan

So all my cars have been manual and I am thinking about making the switch to DCT on the M4. Test drove one a few days ago and I liked it. My only fear is getting "bored" with it.

I had the same concerns about choosing DCT. Went with the manual after much deliberation. I am SO HAPPY i chose the manual. The car is just awesome, and the manual transmission is precise. I have an automatic audi as well, and I much prefer the M4 as my DD with the manual transmission any day of the week.

playinJ30 · 03-09-2015, 03:07 PM

had been about 10 years since i owned a manual vehicle... got this one in MT and it was like riding a bike. silky smooth shifts, i love this transmission.

stressdoc · 03-09-2015, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave 90TT

Love the manual on my F82, but I have always been a manual guy. The shifter does seem kind of high, but I came from a car with a short shifter kit, and a shorter handle, so that is probably why I feel that way.

I agree. Anyone have experience with the IND replacement cf knob ? Or other aftermarket kits?

dhoggm3 · 03-09-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AM4ZING

Im hoping there is a button to turn the rev-match feature off.... since, YOU KNOW, I AM BUYING A MANUAL TRANSMISSION! HAHA

No such luck. It's either Sport+ or you're stuck with rev-match.

stuka · 03-09-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ES_TRADER

i have e36M, F80 clutch is probably 50% lighter...definitely noticeable...it will be the first thing u noticed when u clutch to start the f8x motor..i drove my e36 to test drive the f80 and after the test drive i got back in the e36 and it felt like a dinosaur...more strain on the foot...at first i didnt like it, preferred the heavier clutch but after a while like most have said u get used to it and like it. e36 driving in traffic id get shin splints and my leg would nearly give out...now its a non issue

50% lighter from E36 M3 is not terrible. The E46 M3 clutch was probably 20 to 30% lighter than the E36 M3.

E9x M3 was 99.99999999% lighter from the E36 M3. In fact, when I still had the CTSV Wagon, I would get into the E90 M3 and almost put my foot through the floorboard.

That POS E90 M3 clutch was horrid.

MatthewDavid · 03-15-2015, 10:18 AM

Not sure if I can adequately articulate this, but on my E92 M3 now sometimes the shifter just does not want to easily go into first gear. It just says no and makes me wait a moment. No grinding sounds, and the clutch is fully depressed. One of my friends told me it's common so I have just lived with it. Does the F82 do the same thing or is this totally common behavior across all manuals?

Falafel Combo · 03-15-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stuka

E9x M3 was 99.99999999% lighter from the E36 M3.

I have a hunch here that you are exaggerating. Although it sure is hard to be sure.

Falafel Combo · 03-15-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Not sure if I can adequately articulate this, but on my E92 M3 now sometimes the shifter just does not want to easily go into first gear. It just says no and makes me wait a moment. No grinding sounds, and the clutch is fully depressed. One of my friends told me it's common so I have just lived with it. Does the F82 do the same thing or is this totally common behavior across all manuals?

I don't have my f80 yet so I can not answer your question. But what I can tell you is that almost all my past BMW 6mts (e90, f30, e92 M) always start out being "the best transmission" I have ever owned, until they start showing their usual Bavarian quirks. 1st 2nd gear grind, jerky shifts, rubbery gates and yes sometimes refusing to go I to first or reverse. Especially when the car is cold.

stuka · 03-15-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

I have a hunch here that you are exaggerating. Although it sure is hard to be sure.

Very slightly.

That clutch is on par with the super overassisted Turbo clutch in both 996 and 997.

Which is to say that it sucks.

MatthewDavid · 03-15-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

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Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Not sure if I can adequately articulate this, but on my E92 M3 now sometimes the shifter just does not want to easily go into first gear. It just says no and makes me wait a moment. No grinding sounds, and the clutch is fully depressed. One of my friends told me it's common so I have just lived with it. Does the F82 do the same thing or is this totally common behavior across all manuals?

I don't have my f80 yet so I do not have an answer. But I can tell you that almost all my past BMW 6mts (e90, f30, e92 M) always start out being "the best transmission" I hav ever owned, until they start showing their usual quirks. 1st 2nd gear grind, jerky shifts, rubbery gates and yes sometimes refusing to go I to first or reverse. Especially when the car is cold.

You know what I can't recall if it only does that when cold. I'll check it out next drive. One of the reasons I ask is there's a particular backroad I drive with a really tight uphill hairpin that in my E92 needs first. Though it's not common practice this is one of those instances I'd want to be able to drop it into first with a rev match. Sick road btw, if you live in the Bay Area.

MatthewDavid · 03-15-2015, 10:33 AM

Btw the F82 rev matches even into first right?

AlterZgo · 03-15-2015, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewDavid

Btw the F82 rev matches even into first right?

Yes and it's so cool when it does that.

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filetitan VANOS!!!!!! 66 Rep 411 Posts Drives: E92 BMW M3 SG Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Glendale CA iTrader: (1)	So all my cars have been manual and I am thinking about making the switch to DCT on the M4. Test drove one a few days ago and I liked it. My only fear is getting "bored" with it. __________________ 2015 F82 ///M4 - HRE C100's, JB4, Status Gruppe downpipes, AWE Switchpath Exhaust, Vorsteiner GTS Diffuser, M performance Side Skirts, ModeCarbon Carbon Fiber Trophy S1 Front Splitter, etc.. 2008 E92 /// M3 - Gintani Race, B&G - S2 Sport, VB3's. - SOLD 2015 Ducati 899 Panigale
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playinJ30 Private 14 Rep 83 Posts Drives: 2015 F80 M3 - Black/Black 6MT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	had been about 10 years since i owned a manual vehicle... got this one in MT and it was like riding a bike. silky smooth shifts, i love this transmission.
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MatthewDavid Captain 150 Rep 774 Posts Drives: 21 X5 M50i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 F82 M4 [0.00] 2012 E92 M3 ZCP [0.00] 2008 E92 M3 [9.00]	Not sure if I can adequately articulate this, but on my E92 M3 now sometimes the shifter just does not want to easily go into first gear. It just says no and makes me wait a moment. No grinding sounds, and the clutch is fully depressed. One of my friends told me it's common so I have just lived with it. Does the F82 do the same thing or is this totally common behavior across all manuals? __________________ -Matthew
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MatthewDavid Captain 150 Rep 774 Posts Drives: 21 X5 M50i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2015 F82 M4 [0.00] 2012 E92 M3 ZCP [0.00] 2008 E92 M3 [9.00]	Btw the F82 rev matches even into first right? __________________ -Matthew
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