2016 C&D Lightning Lap Results (M4 GTS and M2 included)

bradleyland · 09-08-2016, 12:42 PM

I cannot believe the number of people who seem to believe that any particular car will always be faster at every single racing circuit.

CruzM3 · 09-08-2016, 12:43 PM

GT350 and Camaro SS 1LE are great track cars. Good motors and suspension. Don't look at the price tag because the way the mfg save money is on quality of materials. GT350 owners are already complaining about there being a gap created between the bumper and taillights because the supports are not strong enough. As a previous Mustang GT owner I can tell you the motors are great but build quality and materials is not.

Fortyb · 09-08-2016, 12:45 PM

Impressive for the Ford 350R.. Would love to see how a normal M4 would have done out there. M4 GTS is just not worth the extra dough Imo. Especially if you have a mustang beating it on 2 different courses.

pfl · 09-08-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hemi to e90

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Originally Posted by Captain Unknown GT4

Hm, instesting. Them guys must have set the rear wing on Gts for dry track then:-) its way faster than GT4. In motortrend GTS was same same laptime as GT4.

Oh well, whatever. I am very happy with my GTS, much more of an event to drive than my GT4

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Originally Posted by Powerslide

Yet another reason for many people's suspicion (including mine) as to how MT set up the suspension on the GTS... (especially given MT's tie on the SS 1LE)...

VIR is way more technical (and longer) of a track that laguna, id argue that the gearing on the GT4 cripples it at VIR, while the turbo power band on the gts is better suited.

either way, can we take a serious WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK moment for the audi R8 Plus

2:56.1 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus

Whats the plus for? plus + 4s slower than it should be? wrong kinda quattro audi

dynamic steering is bitch

This. Agreed.

2017 R8 running slower than an 09 GT-R, 430 Scud, and Gallardo LP-570-4??? Something is off I assume.

GreenLantern · 09-08-2016, 12:47 PM

The interior of the GT350R keeps turning me away from it. I just can't do it.

GreenLantern · 09-08-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bradleyland

I cannot believe the number of people who seem to believe that any particular car will always be faster at every single racing circuit.

Indeed!

Though the Viper ACR Extreme did a pretty good job of topping more tracks than other cars before it.

Mr Friese · 09-08-2016, 12:50 PM

Why no M3 / M4 ZCP? That would have been an interesting dynamic had it been included.

dkhm3 · 09-08-2016, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fortyb

Impressive for the Ford 350R.. Would love to see how a normal M4 would have done out there. M4 GTS is just not worth the extra dough Imo. Especially if you have a mustang beating it on 2 different courses.

normal m4 ran it in 3:00.7

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2014-feature

Fortyb · 09-08-2016, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

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Originally Posted by Fortyb

Impressive for the Ford 350R.. Would love to see how a normal M4 would have done out there. M4 GTS is just not worth the extra dough Imo. Especially if you have a mustang beating it on 2 different courses.

normal m4 ran it in 3:00.7

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2014-feature

Thanks for the Info..

quattr0 · 09-08-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Back to back tests now the GT350R out performed the GTS. Ford really built one hell of a car, also considering it is a true manual. The Grand Sport is 5.8 seconds quicker. Never would have thought the gap would be that large.

Whay do you mean by "true manual" comparing w F8x manual?

dkhm3 · 09-08-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pfl

This. Agreed.

2017 R8 running slower than an 09 GT-R, 430 Scud, and Gallardo LP-570-4??? Something is off I assume.

I suppose the audi forums and porsche forums are lit up like christmas trees right now.

I just posted how there is a dealership near me wanting 20k adm for a GT4.

Thank you Camaro for bringing these dealerships hopefully to reality!

Phatcat · 09-08-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pfl

This. Agreed.

2017 R8 running slower than an 09 GT-R, 430 Scud, and Gallardo LP-570-4??? Something is off I assume.

C&D article said the R8's suspension and brakes doesn't inspire much confidence on the track, and on top of it, the P Zeros that came with the car quickly heated up and lost the grip and hence they have to fight with constant oversteer problems.

auf Deutsch · 09-08-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by quattr0

Whay do you mean by "true manual" comparing w F8x manual?

He means the GTS is DCT only.

rjd598 · 09-08-2016, 01:06 PM

real winners here are corvette and the stang.

viper too just because that's almost in another league hahah damn

dkhm3 · 09-08-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TSM330i

The NSX is a MAJOR letdown in every way. The original NSX was a bare bones drivers car. The new one is overly complex for the sake of being overly complex and it doesn’t result in a car that is very fast around the track.

Well, I don't know, it is a everyday supercar that beat the R8 (so did everyone else) and runs close to a McLaren!

You're right it is complex, I think new tech is great, but the 1st gen for every car maker you're going to be their guinea pig.

dmboone25 · 09-08-2016, 01:20 PM

Thanks for posting the times - really interesting stuff.

Can't wait to see the overall video - it will be really good this year.

minn19 · 09-08-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruz28/40

GT350 and Camaro SS 1LE are great track cars. Good motors and suspension. Don't look at the price tag because the way the mfg save money is on quality of materials. GT350 owners are already complaining about there being a gap created between the bumper and taillights because the supports are not strong enough. As a previous Mustang GT owner I can tell you the motors are great but build quality and materials is not.

As a current GT350 owner I agree with this. I don't have the bumper issue though and gaps are good so far. It has been easier to overlook because the driving experience is so good.

quattr0 · 09-08-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

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Originally Posted by quattr0

Whay do you mean by "true manual" comparing w F8x manual?

He means the GTS is DCT only.

Thanks. I was hoping the response was 350R manual is not bucking/jerking like ours does when in Sport+ ;-)

Bosozoku · 09-08-2016, 01:25 PM

I wonder if the test drivers primed the water tank for the water injection system.
I hear it fills itself up by condensing water from the exhaust, but is it filled from the factory?
Or has that M4 GTS been driving a lot already?

Mavus · 09-08-2016, 01:41 PM

Grand sport in the group with gt3rs and 570s damn good job chevy at that price

GreenLantern · 09-08-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

Grand sport in the group with gt3rs and 570s damn good job chevy at that price

Good job, indeed! I've always been impressed with the C7. The C6 felt cheap to me, the C7 really upped it.

Still, I derive a lot more satisfaction sitting in a 570S.

Those of you who don't want your upcoming M4 GTS's, I'll take your allocation at MSRP. PM me.

In fact, because the car is so slow, I'll take it at below MSRP. Thanks!

Diver · 09-08-2016, 01:58 PM

Corvette Grand Sport is right up there with the megabuck cars...

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