Car Wont Start! Vf Hex Tune ! Help!

[ptper]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Until you realize that the tables which control the throttle overrun
also influence drivability, cat temperatures, O2 sensors, etc...

The same guy sitting behind the desk is also one of the guys who
is involved in the testing process (on the dyno and out in the real
world on the road) monitoring key variables and temperatures at
different speeds and under various loads.

So, your *nerd is more knowledgeable than the other *nerds.

*we need more nerds in the world!

[breakfastlinks]

Originally Posted by BoxKing

Yet another tip of the hat to BM3 who allows you to control all of your settings and not just what some dude sitting behind a desk feels is best suited for the general public.

Don't be a dipshit now. If you want to represent BM3 then don't post useless shit like this, it makes you and bm3 community look bad.

[BoxKing]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Until you realize that the tables which control the throttle overrun
also influence drivability, cat temperatures, O2 sensors, etc...

The same guy sitting behind the desk is also one of the guys who
is involved in the testing process (on the dyno and out in the real
world on the road) monitoring key variables and temperatures at
different speeds and under various loads.

You stepped over the underlining meaning of my post; which was the control BM3 offers to its customers for unique/personal customization of the overrun tables, and more. There might not be enough road time yet to say user control of these settings could cause any harm, so I see no reason to set your variables within your tune to be locked, and not adjustable. Heck, just add a disclaimer to cover potential liability. At the end of the day you have to view some of these posts (positive/negative) as constructive criticism, and the main reason why many (I myself) chose a different platform... whichever they chose. Features are what I call "Value-added" and the more one platform provides for the $$$ vs. others is obviously something that many people weigh heavy upon when making their choices, including myself ("the more, the merrier").

[BoxKing]

Originally Posted by breakfastlinks

Don't be a dipshit now. If you want to represent BM3 then don't post useless shit like this, it makes you and bm3 community look bad.

Your personal opinion provided nothing to the OP's thread, so maybe you should stop trolling.

Where one might assume when purchasing the VF Tune (or others alike), the OP's (he/she) might not have realized that unlike BM3, you can adjust the table to cater to your liking. I would have been able to chose my platform of choice quicker/easier if information like this was more wide spread, but I feel you have to do a lot of digging to see the differences between all the vendors. Would be a lot easier if there was a side by side comparison chart of all the features each tune offered so that comparing would be easier.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by ptper

So, your *nerd is more knowledgeable than the other *nerds.

*we need more nerds in the world!

Nerds unit!


We're not saying that anyone's "nerd" is more knowledgeable than
anyone elses, but the point we were making is that allowing user
control of these sorts of functions can inadvertently do more harm
than good in the hands of the less knowledgeable.

Even something as seemingly inconsequential as "burble" can be
taken too far resulting in physical damage.

[ptper]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Nerds unit!


We're not saying that anyone's "nerd" is more knowledgeable than
anyone elses, but the point we were making is that allowing user
control of these sorts of functions can inadvertently do more harm
than good in the hands of the less knowledgeable.

Even something as seemingly inconsequential as "burble" can be
taken too far resulting in physical damage.

I don't really care about burbles. I want proven performance within the safety parameters. AFAIK, you guys have the fastest 1/4 mile record stage 1 tune out there. You just don't offer a lot of custom options. It's a trade-off decision for some folks (me included).

[NardoM4_]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Nerds unit!


We're not saying that anyone's "nerd" is more knowledgeable than
anyone elses, but the point we were making is that allowing user
control of these sorts of functions can inadvertently do more harm
than good in the hands of the less knowledgeable.

Even something as seemingly inconsequential as "burble" can be
taken too far resulting in physical damage.

Do you have any proof to back up this statement? You are basically the only tuner on here (for this platform) that does not customize "burbles" (in terms of aggression, duration etc) to the users taste/preference. I have a feeling this is a justification/excuse, to help sell your off the shelf tune instead of offering your customers some customization. Seems lazy to me.

Seems like it is only ok to increase burbles when its a popular youtuber's huracan I guess.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by BeastRS

Do you have any proof to back up this statement? You are basically the only tuner on here (for this platform) that does not customize "burbles" (in terms of aggression, duration etc) to the users taste/preference. I have a feeling this is a justification/excuse, to help sell your off the shelf tune instead of offering your customers some customization. Seems lazy to me.

Seems like it is only ok to increase burbles when its a popular youtuber's huracan I guess.

The same conversation applies to when we tune any vehicle,
whether it be a BMW or Porsche, McLaren or Lamborghini,
including our supercharged Audi & Lamborghini models.
(no custom options available outside of our validated options there either)


Overly aggressive throttle overrun, "gunshot burbles", shooting
flames, etc... can lead to unintended consequence when applied
improperly.


There are plenty of examples of damaged catalytic converters,
failed O2 sensors, shifting issues, rev hang, etc... for current
model F-series cars.

We're not saying "don't do it" ... "we know better" ... "you're
car is going to blow up". We're saying things should be tested
and validated, however inconsequential they seem, before
just freely making changes per customer request.

[NardoM4_]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

The same conversation applies to when we tune any vehicle,
whether it be a BMW or Porsche, McLaren or Lamborghini,
including our supercharged Audi & Lamborghini models.
(no custom options available outside of our validated options there either)


Overly aggressive throttle overrun, "gunshot burbles", shooting
flames, etc... can lead to unintended consequence when applied
improperly.


There are plenty of examples of damaged catalytic converters,
failed O2 sensors, shifting issues, rev hang, etc... for current
model F-series cars.

We're not saying "don't do it" ... "we know better" ... "you're
car is going to blow up". We're saying things should be tested
and validated, however inconsequential they seem, before
just freely making changes per customer request.

Understood, but how can you claim that your increase in burbles are validated/tested to be safe?

Correct me if I am wrong but it would probably take years of continuous use and comparisons with stock cars of similar mileage to see if the tune (with increased burble, pops etc) is causing any damage. Otherwise its all "guesstimation" which does not prove your validation.....

Like you said the F80 has tables that will monitor cat cooling etc, this means that in the event of overheating with increased burbles, pops etc, the ECU will automatically shut off the "burbles" for safety reasons..... If these tables are still in place safeguarding the exhaust components how would offering user customizable burble tables cause any danger to the car?? We are not talking 3 foot flame tunes, just increase duration and aggressions of the burble which is what I meant when I stated that every other tuner offers this flexibility while your company only offers one set tune that you sell to every user....


Please explain.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by BeastRS

Understood, but how can you claim that your increase in burbles are validated/tested to be safe?

Correct me if I am wrong but it would probably take years of continuous use and comparisons with stock cars of similar mileage to see if the tune (with increased burble, pops etc) is causing any damage. Otherwise its all "guesstimation" which does not prove your validation.....

Like you said the F80 has tables that will monitor cat cooling etc, this means that in the event of overheating with increased burbles, pops etc, the ECU will automatically shut off the "burbles" for safety reasons..... If these tables are still in place safeguarding the exhaust components how would offering user customizable burble tables cause any danger to the car?? We are not talking 3 foot flame tunes, just increase duration and aggressions of the burble which is what I meant when I stated that every other tuner offers this flexibility while your company only offers one set tune that you sell to every user....


Please explain.

It's funny that we're talking this in-depth just about "burbles" here,
all because we stated that...

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Even something as seemingly inconsequential as "burble" can be
taken too far resulting in physical damage.

I never would have guessed that this would be an arguable point,
especially considering that if topic was about "user control over
ignition timing", it would be nearly universally accepted that it's
not something an inexperienced user should have control over.





I'm not sure if it's common knowledge, but we've been tuning
this platform for just shy of 3 years now, and were one of the
first (if not the very first) to offer "GTS features" for non-ZCP
and non-GTS models. Our own development vehicle (2015 M4)
saw more than 5,000 miles of very aggressive use before we
moved onto further beta testing with additional vehicles, which
was still months before the product was released to the public.




The testing process starts with evaluating how it's implemented
on the GTS model and having an understanding of the practical
functionality while identifying all of the factory safe guards that
are in place to ensure safe operation.

At some point an assessment (or as you say, "guesstimation")
is made in regards to how "aggressive" is too aggressive. From
that point the validation process is based on drivability testing,
data logging, and physical inspection of noted hardware.

Originally Posted by BeastRS

Understood, but how can you claim that your increase in burbles are validated/tested to be safe?

If a process is systematic with proper check & balances in place,
I think it's perfectly reasonable to arrive at that conclusion.

And three years later the results are completely in line with that
assessment!

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

It's funny that we're talking this in-depth just about "burbles" here,
all because we stated that...

I never would have guessed that this would be an arguable point,
especially considering that if topic was about "user control over
ignition timing", it would be nearly universally accepted that it's
not something an inexperienced user should have control over.





I'm not sure if it's common knowledge, but we've been tuning
this platform for just shy of 3 years now, and were one of the
first (if not the very first) to offer "GTS features" for non-ZCP
and non-GTS models. Our own development vehicle (2015 M4)
saw more than 5,000 miles of very aggressive use before we
moved onto further beta testing with additional vehicles, which
was still months before the product was released to the public.




The testing process starts with evaluating how it's implemented
on the GTS model and having an understanding of the practical
functionality while identifying all of the factory safe guards that
are in place to ensure safe operation.

At some point an assessment (or as you say, "guesstimation")
is made in regards to how "aggressive" is too aggressive. From
that point the validation process is based on drivability testing,
data logging, and physical inspection of noted hardware.

If a process is systematic with proper check & balances in place,
I think it's perfectly reasonable to arrive at that conclusion.

And three years later the results are completely in line with that
assessment!

You seem far to sensible for this forum.

Complete customisability is definitely a double edged sword - especially in the hands of an end user without experience.

I wouldn't waste your time attempting discussion on this forum. It will fall on deaf ears.

[SanchoDivine]

Come on BM3 guys, it's a great platform but it's not for everyone.

Maybe it is somewhat understandable for you all to come into some threads to throw out an ad plug (even though there's already plenty of threads that do so) but in this case it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. OP could barely get through the unlock and flash, imagine what could have happened if he decided to tinker with the other customizations BM3 allows. It's an almost guaranteed disaster. Some people don't want to have the ability to do anything they want and are perfectly happy getting just what they feel they need.

This is like Android fan boys coming into iPhone threads over and over and over.

[schnell1982]

Originally Posted by hau_nguyen91

Thanks Schenell for offering the help but Mike from VF was able to get me through it within 3 hours after 5 PM!

THanks VF for such a quick response on this. I was so afraid I wouldnt able to sleep tonight until Mike came through!

Mike is awesome. He always comes thru with support.