How optimistic are you (new owners/orderers) about having a first yr model m3/4?

[GBPackerfan1963]

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

I've had the very first E46 & E92 M3s in Oregon. There have definitely been some issues, but mostly covered by warranty and not enough to keep me from doing it again. I will have the first customer-ordered F82 from my dealer.

[DanoneBMW]

I'd also be a bit worried that the LCI m4/3 will have a reworked engine sound.
I mean when you start seeing youtube videos mixing the m4/3 sound (with or without akrapovic exhaust) to unflattering machine appliances and animals, then you can guess bmw is going to address that if they can in future models...

Try the link if the video below doesn't work

[u2b]http://youtu.be/G_uqlRnLAX8[/u2b]

[tlp]

Originally Posted by DanoneBMW

I'd also be a bit worried that the LCI m4/3 will have a reworked engine sound.
I mean when you start seeing youtube videos mixing the m4/3 sound (with or without akrapovic exhaust) to unflattering machine appliances and animals, then you can guess bmw is going to address that if they can in future models...

How could this be worrisome? As if they could make it sound any worse?

Waiting for the "must be heard in person to truly appreciate" comments. This is the first car on the internet that ever needed to be vetted with your own ears as todays recording technology is not up to snuff.

[NullCheck]

I dont understand this logic of waiting for later model years.

You live only once. You are talking about waiting 2-3 years, a long fcking time! because well you are worried about some iOS update and tail lights? Are you serious? Dude, you may not make it out alive tomorrow, maybe you'll have a heart attack in your sleep. And first year models hold their value always well down the line. There are a lot of people buying 08 M3s now and there were 2-3 years ago.

You will lose at most 1k in the value of the car when depreciation is considered. If you wait for about a year after LCI comes out, which will be 3-4 years from today, the pricing differences between used LCI and your car will be negligible. It will all depend on warranty and miles.

Oh I have news for you by the way, for those of us who were quick enough to buy the car before July 1st, our maintenance and warranty are both transferrable. I'd say that has a far more selling point then some tail lights and 15 hp LCI is going to have. Anyone buying an LCI car will have to do so either at a dealership as a CPO, or he will have to pay for these things extra, which will be thousands of dollars.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

I think it's worth mentioning that the F30 will undergo a LCI next year, so we can expect something new for the F80 in a year or two, as well. If they switch to those DTM tails, early adopters will be pissed!

Naw they won't. Early adopters from the forum have owned many an ///M car prior to the F8X becoming available. Early adopters who aren't on the forum could give 15 shits about LED tail lights. Those of us who are buying the car now know how the BMW game is played. We know that LED tail lights will come in a couple of years. We know the base price will increase to compensate that change, and we know that we can buy the lights and code the car. We're not n00bs!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by NullCheck

I dont understand this logic of waiting for later model years.

You live only once. You are talking about waiting 2-3 years, a long fcking time! because well you are worried about some iOS update and tail lights? Are you serious? Dude, you may not make it out alive tomorrow, maybe you'll have a heart attack in your sleep. And first year models hold their value always well down the line. There are a lot of people buying 08 M3s now and there were 2-3 years ago.

You will lose at most 1k in the value of the car when depreciation is considered. If you wait for about a year after LCI comes out, which will be 3-4 years from today, the pricing differences between used LCI and your car will be negligible. It will all depend on warranty and miles.

Oh I have news for you by the way, for those of us who were quick enough to buy the car before July 1st, our maintenance and warranty are both transferrable. I'd say that has a far more selling point then some tail lights and 15 hp LCI is going to have. Anyone buying an LCI car will have to do so either at a dealership as a CPO, or he will have to pay for these things extra, which will be thousands of dollars.

Great point about the warranty. If that's not an endorsement to quiet the "..becuz resell" crowd, I don't know what is.

[Wah]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Great point about the warranty. If that's not an endorsement to quiet the "..becuz resell" crowd, I don't know what is.

Just to clarify... Warranty is transferable... It's the maintenance that is not. Big difference.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

Hehe, warranty doesn't do much for Dondula the other night.

I agree to a point. I don't mind non-critical items malfunctioning/needing to be addressed.

Hi. After getting this, I'm hitting the road for a month. My first holiday in years.

Everyone can stuff their optimism if I end up driving in a rental Prius, just because the F82 broke down. Still, as a story it would be an epic thing to add to this whole car ordeal I have went trough here, actually, I think if it breaks down, it will kill me of laughter.

Then I'm going Dondula on BMW's ass, but only if I can stop laughing first.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Wah

Just to clarify... Warranty is transferable... It's the maintenance that is not. Big difference.

Even still, it's a plus for the early adopters looking to sell their vehicles in a year (..since everybody seems to be buying the car to plan on selling it ).

[Wah]

Originally Posted by Lups

Hi. After getting this, I'm hitting the road for a month. My first holiday in years.

Everyone can stuff their optimism if I end up driving in a rental Prius, just because the F82 broke down. Still, as a story it would be an epic thing to add to this whole car ordeal I have went trough here, actually, I think if it breaks down, it will kill me of laughter.

Then I'm going Dondula on BMW's ass, but only if I can stop laughing first.

What would be worse for you.... The car breaking down in the middle of your epic road trip or having to explain to the spouse why you are returning home in a rental Prius?

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Wah

What would be worse for you.... The car breaking down in the middle of your epic road trip or having to explain to the spouse why you are returning home in a rental Prius?

LOL I don't think he could spot the difference to be honest.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Naw they won't. Early adopters from the forum have owned many an ///M car prior to the F8X becoming available. Early adopters who aren't on the forum could give 15 shits about LED tail lights. Those of us who are buying the car now know how the BMW game is played. We know that LED tail lights will come in a couple of years. We know the base price will increase to compensate that change, and we know that we can buy the lights and code the car. We're not n00bs!

It could go both ways, how are we going to know?
E46 LCI: Taillights = who cares
E92 LCI: Taillights + new iDrive = I don't care. I drive an 08 btw
E90 LCI: Completely different trunk, which no offense to 08 sedan owners, but they look so much better. I would be pissed
F10 LCI: Competition Pack does make a huge difference, although expensive. Comes out what, 1 or 2 years after release?

How BMW will go with the F80, who knows? I'm borderline positive I will jump into one sooner than later. But between mostly MSRP prices (I will admit, I haven't looke dtoo hard), ZCP unknown, potentially big LCI changes (probably not), but most of all the M2, I'm willing to wait just a bit, and enjoy the E92 and E36 for a while longer.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Wah

Just to clarify... Warranty is transferable... It's the maintenance that is not. Big difference.

I talked to a salesman after reading about this. If I'm not mistaken, the maintenance can be transferred, but there's a fee (this is for private sale)

If the first owner sells to a BMW dealership, then second owners buys from them, it's no problem from what I understand

[NullCheck]

Originally Posted by Wah

Just to clarify... Warranty is transferable... It's the maintenance that is not. Big difference.

Correct but there is another rule about "vehicles being produced after X date, when they exchange hands 2nd or 3rd time, warranty does not transfer". This had happened a few months prior to the maintenance.

But even the maintenance rule is a big downer. The 40k mile service on this, especially with the carbon build up, can cost several thousand dollars, not to mention the brake job.

The pads on this car is very soft.

My old M3 had 8k miles left on the fronts when i sold it at 40k miles. Thats nearly 50k miles.

This one has only 400 miles on the odo, but the fronts have 30k left. That means the brakes need replacing as well before the free maintenance is up. Add that and 40k service together, its at least 4-5k worth of stuff that the new owner will pay out of pocket.

[TheRealOrosie]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Nope, not at all. I had a first year E9X, and the only problem it had was a malfunctioning EDC module on the passenger side shock tower and a noisy rear diff - when making hard turns - that needed the new spec oil. Quick fix........no other issues. I had a third year E46 that blew up (..as previously mentioned). You can never truly avoid an issue simply by avoiding a first model year. There's always something that somebody will experience. With that said, if saving money is a priority, avoiding a first year model is suggested. The lease rates are worse, the APR's - at least from BMW - are worse, mark-ups, an unwillingness to negotiate below MSRP, etc. It is a veritable certainty that somebody will buy a comparably spec'd MY16/MY17 for less than somebody paid for their 2015.

Yup...I had a 2011 e92 with the same noisy rear diff when making hard turns. Just goes to show that issues can happen whether it is a first year or fourth year.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by W///

It could go both ways, how are we going to know?
E46 LCI: Taillights = who cares
E92 LCI: Taillights + new iDrive = I don't care. I drive an 08 btw
E90 LCI: Completely different trunk, which no offense to 08 sedan owners, but they look so much better. I would be pissed
F10 LCI: Competition Pack does make a huge difference, although expensive. Comes out what, 1 or 2 years after release?

How BMW will go with the F80, who knows? I'm borderline positive I will jump into one sooner than later. But between mostly MSRP prices (I will admit, I haven't looke dtoo hard), ZCP unknown, potentially big LCI changes (probably not), but most of all the M2, I'm willing to wait just a bit, and enjoy the E92 and E36 for a while longer.

My point was that we're not going in blind. We're not n00bs who have no experience with the "BMW way".

[TT1351]

My first BMW was an early E36 M3 actually built in late 94. No issues and a few pluses that eventually didn't appear in later built cars, for example I have an adjustable steering wheel, goes up and down, which my 95 LTW does not, but all in all was extremely trouble free, as is my 08 135i. My M4 is in NJ, so I expect nothing major, that can't be fixed under warranty. Fran

Alpine White
Full Sakir Orange int. c/f trim
Adaptive LED's
Ceramic Brakes
Black wheels
6 speed
HK sound

[tlp]

Originally Posted by W///

It could go both ways, how are we going to know?
E46 LCI: Taillights = who cares
E92 LCI: Taillights + new iDrive = I don't care. I drive an 08 btw
E90 LCI: Completely different trunk, which no offense to 08 sedan owners, but they look so much better. I would be pissed
F10 LCI: Competition Pack does make a huge difference, although expensive. Comes out what, 1 or 2 years after release?

How BMW will go with the F80, who knows? I'm borderline positive I will jump into one sooner than later. But between mostly MSRP prices (I will admit, I haven't looke dtoo hard), ZCP unknown, potentially big LCI changes (probably not), but most of all the M2, I'm willing to wait just a bit, and enjoy the E92 and E36 for a while longer.

If memory serves me correct. At 2003.5 the e46M3 did receive LED tails but before that for MY2002 and 2003 it received the following:

• Front Strut Stress Bar
• Revised ABS system
• 16:9 DVD based Nav from 4:3 CD based Nav that was region specific
• Revised HVAC controls

My point being is that by the time LCI arrives it's not just about cute little taillights. .

Looking forward to see what ZCP brings to the table for this generation. If the package is anything between the e9X and F10 offerings it will be compelling.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My point was that we're not going in blind. We're not n00bs who have no experience with the "BMW way".

Right but at the same time, I feel like BMW has been so unpredictable with what ZCP means nowadays. I honestly think this time around, it'll be on the milder side anyway. I don't think anyone has complained about how soft the car is (quite opposite actually). And if they were going to tweak things, that's the nice part about EPS is that a lot of it is in the software.

[W///]

Originally Posted by tlp

If memory serves me correct. At 2003.5 the e46M3 did receive LED tails but before that for MY2002 and 2003 it received the following:

• Front Strut Stress Bar
• Revised ABS system
• 16:9 DVD based Nav from 4:3 CD based Nav that was region specific
• Revised HVAC controls

My point being is that by the time LCI arrives it's not just about cute little taillights. .

Looking forward to see what ZCP brings to the table for this generation. If the package is anything between the e9X and F10 offerings it will be compelling.

I like I said in my previous post, I don't think it'll be significant because the M3/4 has already so much emphasis on being stiff and being a good handling car (vs the F10 tank which was not).

But the E46 LCI example you provided proves exactly my point. Personally, I'd have 0 problems buying an pre-LCI E46. HVAC, nav screen and strut towers (which can be easily retrofitted) is completely insignificant to me. If the F80/2 has these kinds of changes for LCI, it'll be no concerns to me.

I guess to me, the M5/6 was the one that really bucked the trend IMHO.

[lubricious]

Perhaps why leasing a first year production rather than buying provides a safety net. If there is truly anything majorly awry, then it's not yours to worry about at the end of the lease.

Not here to start a lease vs buy debate... Just providing one reason to lease, ie, first year production.