Weight of Leather, Packages and Options

[(H)]

Dear All,

Seriously considering to move from F10 to F80 for its superior trackability. Now with that in mind, I thought to get the lightest version available. The again, if the weight difference is only 20lb or so, I wouldn't bother and add some luxury.

So my questions: Is there any intel on the weight difference of Extend Leather over cloth and Full Leather over Extended Leather as well as Driver, Executive and Lighting packages as well as options.

Will definitely get the CCs so that difference is already calculated but I am talking about all the other ops.

Would appreciate any insights.

H

[apexit]

There's been a few members and shops who have weighed different cars. If you were to look them up and compare the gas and options you should get a good idea. If you could update the thread I'm sure other would find it helpful.

Forgot to mention, f82 is ~50lbs lighter than the f80.

[CanAutM3]

You do realize that the CCB only reduce the mass of the car by about 14lb? Factoring that it reduces rotating mass, it translates to about 20lb equivalent mass.

[MaynardZed]

Weighed my lightly optioned M4 at 3461 lbs. http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1032062

Don't think I've seen one lower than 3400 lbs yet without removing the rear seats? Another debate is should you take the heavier DCT over the manual if it's purist track car?

[Richy Rich]

Those options won't influence much -- as mentioned above me, weight difference will be in the transmission.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by (H)

Dear All,

Seriously considering to move from F10 to F80 for its superior trackability. Now with that in mind, I thought to get the lightest version available. The again, if the weight difference is only 20lb or so, I wouldn't bother and add some luxury.

So my questions: Is there any intel on the weight difference of Extend Leather over cloth and Full Leather over Extended Leather as well as Driver, Executive and Lighting packages as well as options.

Will definitely get the CCs so that difference is already calculated but I am talking about all the other ops.

Would appreciate any insights.

H

It's not worth the few pounds to sacrifice it. You won't notice it on the track, but you will every day.

This is not a track car. It is a car that can handle itself on the track. Huge difference.

[FTS]

^ +1

Wouldn't be better to purchase a Porsche if trackability And low weight are your priorities for a car you can dd?

[Black Gold]

Or a used s2000 or Miata or c5 z06 or any number of better, cheaper platforms

Needs decaf is on point. I track mine but it's not an ideal track car, no car over 3000 lbs is

[2sporty]

Originally Posted by MaynardZed

Another debate is should you take the heavier DCT over the manual if it's purist track car?

The manual is a 2 generation old Getrag. They're not spending any money on R&D for that anymore. The only reason it is available is for the complaining "purists." I don't see how it even is "purist" considering the fact that all high end race cars use paddles today.

[MaynardZed]

Originally Posted by 2sporty

The manual is a 2 generation old Getrag. They're not spending any money on R&D for that anymore. The only reason it is available is for the complaining "purists." I don't see how it even is "purist" considering the fact that all high end race cars use paddles today.

Purist meaning which one is faster on a road course. Most would take the quicker shifting DCT even though it is 80 lbs heavier than the 6MT.

[Reid]

Originally Posted by MaynardZed

Purist meaning which one is faster on a road course. Most would take the quicker shifting DCT even though it is 80 lbs heavier than the 6MT.

DCT's have a history of drivetrain malfunctions when tracked, which is why many enthusiasts will opt for the 6MT.

[stressdoc]

Let's please take a break on the DCT vs. manual trolling.
Serious road racers have given their approval of both.

As to the OP's query, such decisions are going to be personal. If you want a light weight car, get CCBs and LEDs. No HK etc. Get Akro evo, BBS FI, racing seats... To get a F8x under 3400 is not easy.

If a F8x is your primary car / DD, then comfort considerations should be paramount.

[dclowd9901]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Or a used s2000 or Miata or c5 z06 or any number of better, cheaper platforms

Needs decaf is on point. I track mine but it's not an ideal track car, no car over 3000 lbs is

As a miata owner, this.

To be frank, an M3/4 is far too much car for probably 90% of people who track cars. That's just a fact. I seriously doubt you, guy-on-a-forum-and-not-professional-driver, are going to get every last bit out of this car. I mean, if I'm wrong, go for it, but if not, why not go cheaper for something more track focused that you can use all of?

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by Reid

DCT's have a history of drivetrain malfunctions when tracked, which is why many enthusiasts will opt for the 6MT.

I had a DCT in my E92 M3 and never had any transmission issues at the track or do I know of anybody who did in our local track group!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Reid

DCT's have a history of drivetrain malfunctions when tracked, which is why many enthusiasts will opt for the 6MT.

Says who

I bought all my ///M for good amount of track duty (16~20 track days per year). The DCT on my E92 performed flawlessly for 6 years and 100+ track days. I also got DCT on my M4 .

[MasterC17]

And I'm going to go WAY back, but everyone poo-poo'd SMG on the E46 for tracking, but I tracked mine heavily for THREE years without a single problem. Just recently developed an issue (haven't had the time to fix it yet), but if the SMG lasted me three years on a car that was 10 years old at that point with over 100k miles on it, I can only expect DCT to be better.

[Reid]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

I had a DCT in my E92 M3 and never had any transmission issues at the track or do I know of anybody who did in our local track group!

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Says who

I bought all my ///M for good amount of track duty (16~20 track days per year). The DCT on my E92 performed flawlessly for 6 years and 100+ track days. I also got DCT on my M4 .

Obviously not everyone will have issues, nor am I trying to say that those who track their DCT's are any less of an enthusiast.

But are you saying that you have never heard of people having DCT malfunctions at the track? It's just one more system to fail, IMHO.

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Let's please take a break on the DCT vs. manual trolling.
Serious road racers have given their approval of both.

There's no trolling here.

Track whichever transmission you like, I could not care less. Sorry, if I somehow offended anyone by stating the reason that I did not buy a DCT.

Originally Posted by dclowd9901

As a miata owner, this.

To be frank, an M3/4 is far too much car for probably 90% of people who track cars.

As yet another Miata owner, I have to agree. Everyone who enjoys driving on the track should own a Miata. They cost nearly nothing and take up so little room.

[Hoopumpers]

Keep the F10 and buy a dedicated track car.