Introducing the First Ever BMW M4 CS!

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by Simon H

You also forgot the M4 DTM,
Where does that fit in ?.

Exact same thing as a GTS. Just slight color and detail differences.
Not available here anyway...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Observation:

The CS goes without the leather knee bolster on the centre console but gets the sliding cup-holder cover .

non track oriented it says...

Back in the day... I believe the term Poseur was appropriate... in skateboard circles.... of course in Porsche circles the term " TURBO Look... " was en vogue.. Consider this " GTS look"

Did you find out about the seats? they gotta be electric..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by technik330

Does anyone else feel this is the how the M4 should've come to begin with?

I appreciate the ability to ratchet up the performance on the M4, but four versions of the same car is reminiscent of the Honda Civic line up.

Honda Civic
Honda Civic Sport
Honda Civic Si
Honda Civic Type R

Moving along.

This has to be the most beautiful M4 I've seen in factory spec; I'm cognizant of the GTS being a sharper scalpel, by a ways, but the GTS has always come across (to me) as being ostentatious. Maybe it's all of the bright colors, I don't know - I just see myself pining for a CS over a GTS every day of the week.

Well done BMW!

CAYMAN
CAYMAN S
CAYMAN GTS
CAYMAN GT4

I am sure the folks over at Porsche will appreciate your CRITIQUE and understanding of their marketing strategy well..

[ano0oj]

The price of Competition Package or even the CS package makes me want to look towards a full Dinan signature package!

What do you guys think MSRP will be on the M4 CS? I hope they come out with a M3 CS

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bjcarls

I get both points. The problem I have with this strategy is that they trickle out - I think the GTS, Comp package and CS are within 1.5yr? It would be 'nice' if they would give you a roadmap so you could make an informed purchase versus being surprised at another version that you may have just taken delivery of. $.02

the roadmap is different for the models.. And of COURSE the roadmap isn't printed

BMW already has created it's own product sales and delivery issues with people " waiting for LCI "

When customers WAIT to buy the next big thing... then that's not good for business.

Are you in the market for a new iphone 8? If you walk into an APPLE store anytime in the next 3 months they will tell you the iphone 8 doesn't exist or.. may be delayed... And they will keep saying that until they are taking pre-orders.

MARKETING 101 here..

[flightz71]

Very impressive - it's the modern day CSL 15 years later

BMW for the past few years have been losing their way with all these "special edition" cars aka colors and bolt ons.

To see a ton of aero enhancements, weight reduction bits, lightweight race wheels with cup tires and that crazy interior (check out those door panels ppl!), glad they're really gotten back to engineering.

[JibSTir13]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I want more pampering for the daily drive. I don't really care for a "track look". I want track performance, which the few lbs saved from Spartan GTS interior does not contribute much to.

I think we are thinking the same thing - a standard interior or a sparse functional interior if for worthwhile performance gains. Unless you mean you like the panels in the current interior config.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Maybe this is a modification of the Porsche system?

Base car
S version
GTS (value pack) version
GT3/GT4
GT3-RS

Perhaps the M4 CS is the Porsche-esque GTS version of the F82?

So you end up with:

M4 (base car)
M4 ZCP (S version)
M4 CS (GTS version)
M4 GTS (GT3 equiv)

Didn't the CS announcement even state that this version was a "movement away from the track" compared to the M4 GTS? That would compare nicely with a 911 GTS or Cayman GTS.

The problem is that the CS doesn't follow that sort of formula very well. They've stripped weight out of the car, but on a dart-throwing basis - there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to how the car was "finished" if that makes sense.

I was wondering if it was a modification of the FORD or DODGE system..

FORD-

Mustang V6 ; Mustang GT ; Shelby GT350 ; Shelby GT350R
Focus S '; Focus SE ; Focus SEL ; Focus ST ; Focus RS

DODGE

Dodge Challenger ; Challenger SXT ; Challenger RT ; Challenger GT; Challenger RT + ; Challenger TA ; Challenger SRT; Challenger SRT hellcat
Viper SRT; Viper GT; Viper GTS ; Viper ACR..

or maybe it's modeled after Harley Davidson..

YES.. They did indicate that the CS is NOT track oriented and that it is below the " motorsport " line.. (presumably GTS and leaves the door open for CSL?)
The CS line is for higher performance than the Competition line... which is above the base M car.

[Reedomn]

Typo...LOL...performance-maximising

[W///]

Originally Posted by KevinM

No, I won't kill myself. I'll just buy old cars.

I think you and I are trying to save the manuals all by ourselves. 3 out 3 cars out of our fleets are manuals, would make no sense to add DCT now

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by frKENm3

mmmmmm... i just want the lip and spoiler.... =)

+2

I just want the front lip. I like the current CF spoiler better.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by bjcarls

Audi has S-line, S and RS.
Porsche has base, S, GTS, GT2/3, GT3 RS.
MB has AMG, AMG S and Black.
BMW has M-Sport, M, M Competition, M CS, M GTS.

I would change this a bit ...

BMW has
* BMW
* ///M
* i

///M has
M, M comp, M CS, M GTS
plus, ///M sells parts and design to BMW and i to create M-sport, etc

Mercedes Benz has
* Mercedes Benz
* Mercedes-AMG
* Mercedes-Maybach

Mercedes-AMG has
AMG, AMG S, and ?

and I agree that a roadmap would be nice, but I don't think BMW knows.

I think the M4GTS and M4CS are "minimum viable products" to identify the market before they invest in mass production.

[technik330]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

CAYMAN
CAYMAN S
CAYMAN GTS
CAYMAN GT4

I am sure the folks over at Porsche will appreciate your CRITIQUE and understanding of their marketing strategy well..

You missed part of the implied subtle joke about Honda Civic M3s, but I'm fully aware that the same marketing strategy is in place with other manufacturers (Porsche Included - let's not start with 911 varients ), so don't fret.

So quick to defend BMW, take a breath man.

[DMA]

But will it sound good?

[BimmerMan2421]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Look at the wheel gap both in the front and rear. The car looks like an xDrive. I mean seriously...

NEEDS MORE LOWWWW!!! LOL

[technik330]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Perhaps I just think that referring to BMW and Honda in the same sentence is STUPID. so no. I don't get the " joke "

... probably the most arrogant and condescending post I've read on here in a while, but to each his own; you're entitled to your opinions and subjective point of view.

[adc]

Originally Posted by bd307

22 second faster on the Nordschleife over standard M4.

A lot of the time saved are from the Cups - maybe 10-12 sec. 3-4 sec. from the CF bits. Another 1-2 sec from mother nature and another 2-3 sec. from driver's mistakes. Plus another 3-4 sec from the "increased power and torque". All these are pretty conservative numbers.

No doubt nice looking car, but not worth the price IMO. It is more for those who MUST have the latest toy in their garage.

BMW is trying to convince those GTS owners that their money spent on their GTS is well worth for price comparing to the CS.

Not trying to open a can of worms if it is worth it for others.

Your numbers are off. Stock M4 was 7:52 or 7:50 depending on who you ask. This car is 12-14 sec faster, that's it.

[adc]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Also my thoughts. Part of that "4 seconds" is already imbedded in the Competition Pack through the suspension upgrade and 19hp over the base M4. Considering the CS has the carry over suspension from the CP and a modest 10hp increase, I wonder how much faster the CS really is over the CP on the same tires.

Yep, my thoughts too.

CS has some extra torque, and depending over what range it is deployed it can make a measurable difference.

[loveskiing]

Originally Posted by michal12

Lets hope it not a new trend: make the base model deliberately underwhelming and than charge top $$ for limited run editions which are only as good as the original base model should have been since the beginning.

Don't forget that these guys @ BMW have hired the best marketing gurus who use psychological ploys to separate the fools from their hard earned cash. If you fall for such terms as "limited edition", "exclusive", only 1 of 500, etc. you'll fall prey to the BS. Most collectible items weren't originally sold as such, they just became more collectible over time because others weren't kept in good shape, had pieces missing, etc. I'm not so interested in how limited it is vs. how it looks, how it performs, and how it makes me feel when I'm driving it. My ego is well enough developed that I don't need to get off on all the adulation I might get from others because my car is limited.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by adc

Your numbers are off. Stock M4 was 7:52 or 7:50 depending on who you ask. This car is 12-14 sec faster, that's it.

7:52 it is

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Mercedes-AMG has
AMG, AMG S, and ?

AMG, AMG-S, AMG-R, AMG-Black-Series

[bd307]

Originally Posted by adc

Your numbers are off. Stock M4 was 7:52 or 7:50 depending on who you ask. This car is 12-14 sec faster, that's it.

You are right. 14 sec difference only.

m4 7:52
m4cs 7:38 -12
m4 gts is at 7:28 -24

Quick search on these times as comparison if anyone cares. Very comparable time to the QV.

61. Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 unknown 7:37.47
62. Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) Timo Kluck 7:37.90
63. Porsche 911 Turbo (997) unknown 7:38.00
64. Lexus LFA unknown 7:38.00
65. Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera Horst von Saurma 7:38.00
66. Ferrari 458 Italia unknown 7:38.00
67. Porsche Panamera Turbo (Mk II) unknown 7:38.00
68. Ferrari 430 Scuderia unknown 7:39.00
69. Porsche 911 Turbo unknown 7:39.00
70. Alfa Romeo Giulia QV unknown 7:39.00
71. Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 unknown 7:39.28
72. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 unknown 7:40.00
73. McLaren Mercedes SLR Klaus Ludwig 7:40.00
74. Porsche 911 GT3 Walter Rohrl 7:40.00
75. Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Horst Von Saurma 7:40.00
76. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Mark Reuss 7:41.27