OEM CS Lip Installed on M3!

Clark_Kent · 01-11-2018, 11:24 AM

Thanks for posting this up, it looks great! That's a bummer the bumper has to come off to install this one.

DB323 · 01-11-2018, 12:23 PM

Looks good. How much was this lip and where did you order it from if you dont mind?

ando · 01-11-2018, 12:28 PM

That CS lip looks awesome. Congrats

JibSTir13 · 01-12-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Thanks for posting this up, it looks great! That's a bummer the bumper has to come off to install this one.

Yeah, it is quite the install process for a front lip.

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Originally Posted by NOLATom

Where did you buy it from? I had looked a couple of months ago and didn’t find one for sale.

Looks great BTW

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Originally Posted by DB323

Looks good. How much was this lip and where did you order it from if you dont mind?

Ordered it from IND-Distribution.

SanchoDivine · 01-12-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JibSTir13

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Originally Posted by Brasko

Killer shots! Love the CS lip on the M3. I'm glad I held off on the M-Performance CF parts. However I didn't realize you have to remove the front bumper to install it. Did the shop have to make any modifications (cutting, drilling, etc.) to accommodate the CS front lip?

Yes, some trimming of plastic behind the bumper is required to fit the three brackets, but nothing significant (we're talking a few mm).

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Originally Posted by jnthn

Wow, do all front bumper splitters/lips need to have a bracket like that? Did not know that.

Looks fantastic installed.

Most front lips/splitters attach directly to the front bumper without a need to remove the bumper, and do not use brackets. As far as I know, bumper removal is required to install the following font lips/splitters: GTS (and replica), GT4, and CS.

The M Performance lip has a brace installed into the bumper. Bumper isn't removed but the belly pan is unbolted and moved out of the way to put it in place and then the belly pan is re-secured.

Clark_Kent · 01-12-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SanchoDivine

The M Performance lip has a brace installed into the bumper. Bumper isn't removed but the belly pan is unbolted and moved out of the way to put it in place and then the belly pan is re-secured.

The brace certainly helps but it isn't necessary for the M Performance lip. I ran mine for over 2 years without and no issues.

zzirgrizz · 01-14-2018, 03:46 PM

I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed.

Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.

geroz1 · 01-14-2018, 06:01 PM

Subscribed! Can you share photos of RW version?

allinon72 · 01-14-2018, 06:13 PM

love it, just can't swallow the price.

whitefrs · 01-14-2018, 06:16 PM

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Subscribed! Can you share photos of RW version?

Me 2 want pictures lol

Spoolin Montego · 01-14-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DonutRanger

I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed.

Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.

How would it rip off? All other lips apart from he oem gts and cs are installed like this. Just make sure you have at least 12 screws in it and you'll have no issue

zzirgrizz · 01-14-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoolin Montego

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Originally Posted by DonutRanger

I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed.

Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.

How would it rip off? All other lips apart from he oem gts and cs are installed like this. Just make sure you have at least 12 screws in it and you'll have no issue

That's a good point. My logic behind it was because since the OEM CS lip requires the brackets, it's not being installed the way it was intended. But I'm probably just overthinking it

espressoo · 01-14-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DonutRanger

I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed.

Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.

I got the same one and installed it today by myself. I made some custom brackets for added support. I did not remove the bumper for my install.

Graves · 01-14-2018, 10:24 PM

Love it. I'm gonna go with the CS lip, spoiler, and hood.

ONE1 · 01-15-2018, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by espressoo

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Originally Posted by DonutRanger

I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed.

Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.

I got the same one and installed it today by myself. I made some custom brackets for added support. I did not remove the bumper for my install.

Nice. Can you post more pictures of the fitment? Side angles, etc.

espressoo · 01-15-2018, 08:12 AM

Finish and fitment is good however it's about 1/4" short of the wheel well arches on both sides. I haven't seen any close ups of the the real one so it's difficult to compare fitment. I could have adjusted the whole lip towards the rear of the car to minimize the gap however it would make the front look weird. This was the best compromise on the placement in my opinion. Front and sides are flush with the bumper. Install took me 5 hours however I worked extremely slow (in part due to the cold garage). It took me an hour playing around with fitment/placement. I also took an hour scrounging for parts and making the brackets.

The lip has a female thread already pre-installed for the center mount. I luckily had a bolt with the matching thread. For the center bracket, I found an L-bracket that worked (might require some bending). I screwed it into the front bumper dead center and added a plastic spacer. For the two side brackets I used a piece of 1/2" wide x 1/8" thick aluminum that I bent into shape then added the necessary holes.

Overall, nothing needed to be cut or trimmed. You just start by removing the covers on the bottom side of the front bumper corners. It's held in place by 7 screws on each side. After installing the lip, only the two corner holes on the lip will align to the factory screw holes. The rest of the holes I used self tapping screws. In total about 20 screws holds it in place so I don't think it's going anywhere. It was freezing in my garage so VBH tape was useless so I opted not to use it.

Once the lip is screwed into place, just reinstall the bottom side covers. In some areas you need to press it against the lip and secure the factory screws back in place and everything should fit fine. I'm glad I didn't have to remove the bumper for this install. First off, I wouldn't have known where to begin removing it and it would have taken much longer. The only benefit of removing the bumpers appears to be installing the brackets. The RW version of this lip doesn't include any hardware so that point was moot after I was able to make the custom ones.

Enjoy the pics! It's freezing outside (12F) so these will have to do.

Clark_Kent · 01-15-2018, 08:20 AM

It would nice to know/see if the lip is designed to be ~1/4" short of the wheel well arches on both sides. In my opinion, I wouldn't characterize that as good fitment. I would not be happy with that fitment at any price point much less $2,000. It also doesn't appear to be flush with the bumper in the areas closest to the wheel well arches. I'm not at all trying to come for your installation skillset but it just doesn't look good for what's supposed to be an OEM part on what is essentially the same car from a chassis/shell perspective.

allinon72 · 01-15-2018, 10:09 AM

There's no gap in the OP's pics

ONE1 · 01-15-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by allinon72

There's no gap in the OP's pics

OP has the real CS lip. The lip with gap is a replica from RW.

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Originally Posted by espressoo

Finish and fitment is good however it's about 1/4" short of the wheel well arches on both sides. I haven't seen any close ups of the the real one so it's difficult to compare fitment. I could have adjusted the whole lip towards the rear of the car to minimize the gap however it would make the front look weird. This was the best compromise on the placement in my opinion. Front and sides are flush with the bumper.

Thanks for the pics. I noticed this gap when they first posted pics of the lip on Instagram. I was hoping they would have addressed that. I'm curious why they didn't. Everything else looks pretty close to the real CS lip.

zzirgrizz · 01-15-2018, 01:27 PM

If you look up pictures of the M3 CS lip, even the OEM one has a slight gap where the lip meets the wheel well. So if the fitment on the Rw one is good besides that slight gap, Id be fine with it.

SanchoDivine · 01-15-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by espressoo

I got the same one and installed it today by myself. I made some custom brackets for added support. I did not remove the bumper for my install.

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That lip looks great! Especially considering that it is a mere fraction of the cost of the OEM version. The small L shaped brackets look like they would be good support but those longer c-shaped brackets wont really give you any real reinforcement. Overall an impressive alternative to save money on a part that may as well be considered a consumable. Thanks for sharing!

espressoo · 01-15-2018, 03:32 PM

In looking at pics of the real CS M3, I noticed there's the same gap near the wheel arches. I think it makes sense from a design standpoint. If your wheel is full lock for a U-turn for example, you wouldn't want the tire to snag the corner of your lip and possibly rip it off. It would look better flush but that's probably a good compromise.

Regarding the custom bracket, I think it's added security but doesn't ensure the same level of support as the OEM bracket. I think if you're concerned at all, just add some 3M VHB tape with the install. If the unfortunate happens with road debris I rather have the lip come off rather than taking the whole front bumper with it.

I braved the coldness and took a few more outdoor pics. One thing I noticed about the real CS pictured above, their lip is slightly tucked right in the middle below the air dam. About 1/8" or so. My install I opted to make it as flush as possible so it's a smoother transition from the angled center portion of the lip to the lower bumper.

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zzirgrizz Private First Class 21 Rep 91 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Utah iTrader: (0)	I bought a CS front lip from RW carbon. They said the lip has been modified to be installed without needing any support brackets or removing the bumper. But looking at RW's lip and the OEM CS front lip, they look the exact same. Even have the mounting holes for where the support brackets would be installed. Am I still okay installing it without the brackets or should I return it back to RW Carbon? Just worried that the lip would get ripped off at high speeds since it won't have the support brackets.
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espressoo Major 899 Rep 1,009 Posts Drives: '18 M3 Comp\|'23 X5 45e\|'24 X7 Join Date: May 2017 Location: DMV iTrader: (1)	Finish and fitment is good however it's about 1/4" short of the wheel well arches on both sides. I haven't seen any close ups of the the real one so it's difficult to compare fitment. I could have adjusted the whole lip towards the rear of the car to minimize the gap however it would make the front look weird. This was the best compromise on the placement in my opinion. Front and sides are flush with the bumper. Install took me 5 hours however I worked extremely slow (in part due to the cold garage). It took me an hour playing around with fitment/placement. I also took an hour scrounging for parts and making the brackets. The lip has a female thread already pre-installed for the center mount. I luckily had a bolt with the matching thread. For the center bracket, I found an L-bracket that worked (might require some bending). I screwed it into the front bumper dead center and added a plastic spacer. For the two side brackets I used a piece of 1/2" wide x 1/8" thick aluminum that I bent into shape then added the necessary holes. Overall, nothing needed to be cut or trimmed. You just start by removing the covers on the bottom side of the front bumper corners. It's held in place by 7 screws on each side. After installing the lip, only the two corner holes on the lip will align to the factory screw holes. The rest of the holes I used self tapping screws. In total about 20 screws holds it in place so I don't think it's going anywhere. It was freezing in my garage so VBH tape was useless so I opted not to use it. Once the lip is screwed into place, just reinstall the bottom side covers. In some areas you need to press it against the lip and secure the factory screws back in place and everything should fit fine. I'm glad I didn't have to remove the bumper for this install. First off, I wouldn't have known where to begin removing it and it would have taken much longer. The only benefit of removing the bumpers appears to be installing the brackets. The RW version of this lip doesn't include any hardware so that point was moot after I was able to make the custom ones. Enjoy the pics! It's freezing outside (12F) so these will have to do.
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Clark_Kent Lieutenant Colonel 2228 Rep 1,897 Posts Drives: Retired Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	It would nice to know/see if the lip is designed to be ~1/4" short of the wheel well arches on both sides. In my opinion, I wouldn't characterize that as good fitment. I would not be happy with that fitment at any price point much less $2,000. It also doesn't appear to be flush with the bumper in the areas closest to the wheel well arches. I'm not at all trying to come for your installation skillset but it just doesn't look good for what's supposed to be an OEM part on what is essentially the same car from a chassis/shell perspective.
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zzirgrizz Private First Class 21 Rep 91 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Utah iTrader: (0)	If you look up pictures of the M3 CS lip, even the OEM one has a slight gap where the lip meets the wheel well. So if the fitment on the Rw one is good besides that slight gap, Id be fine with it.
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espressoo Major 899 Rep 1,009 Posts Drives: '18 M3 Comp\|'23 X5 45e\|'24 X7 Join Date: May 2017 Location: DMV iTrader: (1)	In looking at pics of the real CS M3, I noticed there's the same gap near the wheel arches. I think it makes sense from a design standpoint. If your wheel is full lock for a U-turn for example, you wouldn't want the tire to snag the corner of your lip and possibly rip it off. It would look better flush but that's probably a good compromise. Regarding the custom bracket, I think it's added security but doesn't ensure the same level of support as the OEM bracket. I think if you're concerned at all, just add some 3M VHB tape with the install. If the unfortunate happens with road debris I rather have the lip come off rather than taking the whole front bumper with it. I braved the coldness and took a few more outdoor pics. One thing I noticed about the real CS pictured above, their lip is slightly tucked right in the middle below the air dam. About 1/8" or so. My install I opted to make it as flush as possible so it's a smoother transition from the angled center portion of the lip to the lower bumper.
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