Tesla Model 3 Performance: 3.5s 0-60, 155MPH top speed, 310mi range, $78k

f82fanatic · 05-21-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

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Originally Posted by f82fanatic

Great marketing on his part. He had my buddy, who has no clue about cars, believing Tesla is faster and better, hands down, no questions asked...

I'm not 100% sold on tesla for all the reasons already mentioned here but I have huge respect for what they have done for EV market

Me too! But Musk is comparing the 3 to an M3 merely on 0-60 times. He's convinced most people that have no clue about cars that it's just better because of that.

Bigsurprise · 05-21-2018, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WestRace

I suppose auto-cross was set up at a large parking facility in which after your lap, you would wait in line for the next lap? I don't mean to get on the Model 3 case but auto-cross probably is not a good test for "track ready" like for example Laguna Seca in which you have to do a lot of high speed braking among other things. Because of the nature of auto-cross setup, it's not quite hard on the car as a real road course.
The Model 3 is a complete different car vs. the M3 even if it has very impressive straight line speed. And I am not sure people will be cross-shopping these twos. Driving cars like M3, AMG, RS is not just straight line speed but the experience and sensation. And even among cars I mention, each of them has their own unique personalities that are hard to measure in objective numbers.

No you are right, it was just cones set up on an airfield. I only thought it was worth while posting because I don't see much real world evidence of the Model 3's performance. I think is clear that in shorter tighter courses, the model 3 will do well.

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I imagine it was a large parking lot with some Tesla Supercharger stations in the pit area

Right? LOL

He did manage to get his 7 laps in without trouble. I don't know how far his drive home was afterwards.

nicknaz · 05-21-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by f82fanatic

Me too! But Musk is comparing the 3 to an M3 merely on 0-60 times. He's convinced most people that have no clue about cars that it's just better because of that.

It's good marketing for the regular people. That's how most think when "faster" is discussed and you can demonstrate a quick launch from a stoplight at pretty much any time, but doing a highway pull or a hot lap is not really feasible

I just tried to configure and all I'm allowed to order is the 310 mile rwd car. Guess I'm way down in the queue for the awd cars

SunnyD · 05-21-2018, 06:47 PM

"Will beat anything in its class on track" must be referring to a drag strip.

AndreyATC · 05-21-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DasAuto

When the power goes out don't call me for a ride!

It's funny you mention that. I was rolling around while the black out when everybody was lining up to gas stations. Most of them didn't have any power. My car is fully charged every night and ready to go whenever the power goes out I'm ready. You have to pray that when the blackout happens you don't have less than a quarter of a tank left.
Side benefit is running AC for a few days Or any accessories to charge some things

antzcrashing · 05-21-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by M3_WC

Besides the 1sec quicker 0-60 and higher top speed. What do you get for $24,000?

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Model 3 Dual Motor AWD (Long Range)

$54,000 (without Autopilot)
0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds
140 mph top speed
Range: 310 miles

Model 3 Performance

$78,000 (without Autopilot)
0-60 mph in 3.5 seconds
155 mph top speed
Range: 310 miles

You get to tell people you financially saved tesla from otherwise certain collapse?

SDf10 · 05-21-2018, 09:45 PM

Im a Sr. manager at Tesla... I drive an M3. And yes, I have driven every single Tesla out there.

nicknaz · 05-21-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreyATC

It's funny you mention that. I was rolling around while the black out when everybody was lining up to gas stations. Most of them didn't have any power. My car is fully charged every night and ready to go whenever the power goes out I'm ready. You have to pray that when the blackout happens you don't have less than a quarter of a tank left.
Side benefit is running AC for a few days Or any accessories to charge some things

Can the Teslas charge up a power wall or power the house when the power is out?

Arcades · 05-21-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

Can the Teslas charge up a power wall or power the house when the power is out?

I think the level 1 or level 2 chargers can be installed from wall sockets in the garage. Not sure though. I can find out pretty quick by asking my cousin who works with Tesla.

P.S. Musk is a good at BSing to people who don't know cars. I really, REALLY don't like him.

SDf10 · 05-21-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

Can the Teslas charge up a power wall or power the house when the power is out?

If you have solar plus powerwall, then yes, you will have power (up to 10 hours) during a blackout. Once daylight comes the PW will start charging again and so on.

nicknaz · 05-21-2018, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SDf10

If you have solar plus powerwall, then yes, you will have power (up to 10 hours) during a blackout. Once daylight comes the PW will start charging again and so on.

Can a tesla car act like a PW

SDf10 · 05-21-2018, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

Can a tesla car act like a PW

Nope.

AlpineWhite_SJ · 05-21-2018, 10:41 PM

What happens when you can’t hit your weekly production targets? Hype a new higher ASP model so that you don’t run out of cash before you can ramp to break even production levels

jmg · 05-21-2018, 11:58 PM

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I think it was either Road and Track or Cars and Drivers took the highest performance Model S and ran it on VIR and if I remember correctly it had heating problem, but either way they are not typical brakes. The batteries are prone to heating if running at high current. I mean running the track is very demanding and even the M3/M4 may even have problem if running on track continuously.

If you read my post, the issue was the motor housing on Model S
It was never meant for the track, seems stupid to run 5000lb car in that environment. But it doesnt have issues with brakes
Model 3, regular, was just tested by a few owners. No motor or battery concerns, just crappy brakes on non-performance car. Perf. Model 3 should hold its own. But we shall see when it comes out. If it's advertised as a trackable car, that sounds promising, that's all

I'm a fan of electric cars, but unless Tesla has a consumer level fast battery swap available, I don't see one being a true track car. Energy consumption is dramatically increased on a track.

nicknaz · 05-22-2018, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jmg

I'm a fan of electric cars, but unless Tesla has a consumer level fast battery swap available, I don't see one being a true track car. Energy consumption is dramatically increased on a track.

I don't know if I'd trust a swap. Might get a more degraded battery than my existing one

The fast charger like mission e with supposed 250mile range in 20 min is an interesting answer.

250 street miles should be enough for 25 track miles, or 20 min of time at a DE?

AndreyATC · 05-22-2018, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

I don't know if I'd trust a swap. Might get a more degraded battery than my existing one

The fast charger like mission e with supposed 250mile range in 20 min is an interesting answer.

250 street miles should be enough for 25 track miles, or 20 min of time at a DE?

Seems like Tesla is aiming at 200-250kw charge rate for this summer. It's roughly twice as fast than current rate. Not sure what's everyone's track usage is, but 300mil range should give you at least 80-100 of the track usage

AndreyATC · 05-22-2018, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SDf10

Im a Sr. manager at Tesla... I drive an M3. And yes, I have driven every single Tesla out there.

How's TM3 performance in your opinion?

shortseller · 05-22-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jmg

I'm a fan of electric cars, but unless Tesla has a consumer level fast battery swap available, I don't see one being a true track car. Energy consumption is dramatically increased on a track.

I’m assuming the percentage of Tesla owners going to a track day would be so miniscual, the thought to address this would be far down the Tesla list of concerns. But maybe more likely something mod companies might focus on actually as ownership grows and a need arises that needs filling.

EALm4 · 05-22-2018, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

P.S. Musk is a good at BSing to people who don't know cars. I really, REALLY don't like him.

+1 This.

AlpineWhite_SJ · 05-22-2018, 01:59 PM

I guess I wasn't too off base on the reasoning behind the performance model

Musk: Shipping base-price Model 3 at this point would cause Tesla to lose money

joeykayo · 05-23-2018, 01:07 AM

After reading that Elon Musk claims that the Model 3 Performance version will have faster acceleration (believable) better handling (hmm....maybe?) than an M3 on the track (on the track...really!?? For how many laps?)

Here's the comment: "Cost of all options, wheels, paint, etc is included (apart from Autopilot). Cost is $78k. About same as BMW M3, but 15% quicker & with better handling. Will beat anything in its class on the track."

I was reading the comments on this post (https://electrek.co/2018/05/21/tesla...-tesla-denies/) and I saw people referring to the Model 3 as the M3. I don't know if they know. SMH. I doubt it will beat an M3 on the track with those brake times.

FriedPiston · 05-23-2018, 01:17 AM

Yup, it's sad, but 100% true. A good majority of EV, PHEV, Hybrid owners have never heard of the BMW M3 before. I've even mentioned it casually here in the past...

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...53&postcount=3

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=22

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