F80 M3 LCI Speculation

[SamS]

I bet MY2016 will see a Competition Package + LCI changes like more LED lighting.

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by SamS

I bet MY2016 will see a Competition Package + LCI changes like more LED lighting.

By then a lot of mods will be out as well! It's going to be a long wait though =(

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SamS

Do want! I bet MY2016 will see a Competition Package + LCI changes like more LED lighting.

The F30 LCI is next year (summer) so this F80 pretty much should go thru the same short model year as the 2008 E90 M3. Or about 5-7 months with the "old" MY2014 styling and then the LCI as a MY2015 at mid 2014.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Technic

The F30 LCI is next year (summer) so this F80 pretty much should go thru the same short model year as the 2008 E90 M3. Or about 5-7 months with the "old" MY2014 styling and then the LCI as a MY2015 at mid 2014.

That would suck elephant parts. Hopefully with the F80 being now a separate model they can go directly to any F30 LCI upgrades. To punish early adopters that already pay an early premium with styling and upgrades that is old within less than a year is not nice. And yeah, I plan to be one of those early suckers.

[lux]

Originally Posted by Technic

The F30 LCI is next year (summer) so this F80 pretty much should go thru the same short model year as the 2008 E90 M3. Or about 5-7 months with the "old" MY2014 styling and then the LCI as a MY2015 at mid 2014.

Originally Posted by solstice

That would suck elephant parts. Hopefully with the F80 being now a separate model they can go directly to any F30 LCI upgrades. To punish early adopters that already pay an early premium with styling and upgrades that is old within less than a year is not nice. And yeah, I plan to be one of those early suckers.

LCI for F30 already? Has it been that long already. I thought it just debuted in 2012 in the US.

I agree with Solstice. Would hate to buy my brand new m3 and only 6 months later the LCI comes out.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Technic

The F30 LCI is next year (summer) so this F80 pretty much should go thru the same short model year as the 2008 E90 M3. Or about 5-7 months with the "old" MY2014 styling and then the LCI as a MY2015 at mid 2014.

Sure about F30 LCI next summer? That would only be 2.5 years since intro to LCI. Makes more sense for MY2016. Besides, we know the F01 got LCI for MY2013, F10 for MY2014, F25 will have for MY2015, next will have to be the F30 in MY2016. Each of those were introduced one year apart, so their LCIs will not be in the same years.

[Mahzari]

Originally Posted by SamS

Do want! I bet MY2016 will see a Competition Package + LCI changes like more LED lighting.

I don't know why people are surprised every time. Look at the E90 M3 (introduced in 2008, LCI in 2009 with new taillights, new iDrive, etc.) and the F10 M5 (introduced 2012, LCI in 2014 with new lights, grills, Comp Pack, etc.).

Personally, I think it's worth waiting and picking up the first year of the LCI F80 M3.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SamS

Sure about F30 LCI next summer? That would only be 2.5 years since intro to LCI. Makes more sense for MY2016. Besides, we know the F01 got LCI for MY2013, F10 for MY2014, F25 will have for MY2015, next will have to be the F30 in MY2016. Each of those were introduced one year apart, so their LCIs will not be in the same years.

So far, LCI has been always 4 model years from introduction for the 3-Series... MY2015 is the 4th model year of the F30. The E92 changed that but technically it was also the 4th model year because the MY2010 was only 6 months.

If you noticed, the F10 got its LCI also at its 4th model year. The 7-Series uses the 5th model year for the LCI.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Technic

So far, LCI has been always 4 model years from introduction for the 3-Series... MY2015 is the 4th model year of the F30. The E92 changed that but technically it was also the 4th model year because the MY2010 was only 6 months.

If you noticed, the F10 got its LCI also at its 4th model year. The 7-Series uses the 5th model year for the LCI.

It wouldn't make much sense to have LCI for both F25 and F30 in the same model year. Especially since the F25 introduction was both a calendar year and model year before the F30?

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SamS

It wouldn't make much sense to have LCI for both F25 and F30 in the same model year. Especially since the F25 introduction was both a calendar year and model year before the F30?

Actually, the F25 was introduced in MY2011 late in 2010, that's 4 model years ago. With the X4 coming next year it does make sense to me to have the LCI in MY2015 sometime next year as well so both models can use it at the same time.

Since 2010, BMW have been changing the calendar year length of its model years from the "normal" 11-12 months. Some model years have 6 months, others have 7 months or even 18 months. And on top of that, they already cut the 3-Series (E90) run by one model year - used to be 7 model years and ended up being 6.

The F80 M3 is already 1 model year late relative to the F30 compared with the E90 and E90 M3 (2 model years apart). But so far it seems that the F82 M4 will be released in the same model year as the F32, as in MY2014, contrary of what happened with the E92 and the E92 M3 (1 model year apart).

What BMW may do is make MY2014 a long calendar year -17 months- and still make the LCI a MY2015 by January of 2015. That will also allow BMW to update the engines to -30i and -40i nomenclatures at the same time, á la E46.

So yes, it would make sense to have the F30 LCI next year just because everything else that we knew before about have changed completely.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Technic

So far, LCI has been always 4 model years from introduction for the 3-Series...

But remember, the F30 came one model early because they wanted to have them produced for use in the Olympic fleet so as to take advantage of the promotional opportunity to showcase the new car.

I have to assume that the timeline for the LCI will be the same as if the F30 were launched in March 2012 as an MY2013 rather than January 2012 as an MY2012 as it was. The two month difference is not going to cause a major reshuffling of the LCI by an entire year in my opinion. So we should see the LCI in September 2015 for MY2016. And yes, I also expect the F30 will get eight model years since the E90 was cut to six.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

But remember, the F30 came one model early because they wanted to have them produced for use in the Olympic fleet so as to take advantage of the promotional opportunity to showcase the new car.

I have to assume that the timeline for the LCI will be the same as if the F30 were launched in March 2012 as an MY2013 rather than January 2012 as an MY2012 as it was. The two month difference is not going to cause a major reshuffling of the LCI by an entire year in my opinion. So we should see the LCI in September 2015 for MY2016. And yes, I also expect the F30 will get eight model years since the E90 was cut to six.

Five model years for the F30 LCI seems excessive to me. And another thing that changed is the September month for MY introductions. Now you can have January, March, May, July...

And on top of that, an eight model year F30 run goes against the rush to the new G-chassis beginning with the 7-Series in 2015 as a MY2016.

Let's wait and see.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Technic

Five model years for the F30 LCI seems excessive to me. And another thing that changed is the September month for MY introductions. Now you can have January, March, May, July...

And on top of that, an eight model year F30 run goes against the rush to the new G-chassis beginning with the 7-Series in 2015 as a MY2016.

Let's wait and see.

BMW doesn't decide this based on (US) model years, IMO. As a general rule of thumb, they introduce facelifts 3.5 years after market launch. The F30 came to market in February 2012, so I would expect the LCI no earlier than mid/late 2015.


Best regards,
south

[Technic]

Originally Posted by southlight

BMW doesn't decide this based on (US) model years, IMO. As a general rule of thumb, they introduce facelifts 3.5 years after market launch. The F30 came to market in February 2012, so I would expect the LCI no earlier than mid/late 2015.


Best regards,
south

3.5 calendar years used to be 4 model years for the 3-Series, that's the thing.

Either the 3.5 calendar years or the 4 model years will change this time. We will know soon if BMW will follow MB with their C-Class...

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Technic

3.5 calendar years used to be 4 model years for the 3-Series, that's the thing.

Either the 3.5 calendar years or the 4 model years will change this time.

Not necessarily. F30 started as a 2012 MY and might get the LCI for the 2016 MY in mid/late 2015. Of course, as you say, this depends on BMW's decision when to begin with the 2016 MY.


Best regards,
south

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by southlight

Not necessarily. F30 started as a 2012 MY and might get the LCI for the 2016 MY in mid/late 2015. Of course, as you say, this depends on BMW's decision when to begin with the 2016 MY.


Best regards,
south

You will not see an LCi for the F30 for another couple of years , the car is just selling too good to change anything yet.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You will not see an LCi for the F30 for another couple of years , the car is just selling too good to change anything yet.

Makes sense. That way the F80 (and probably F82?) can come out for MY2015, then after a model year, enjoy an LCI (and ZCP?) after a year, just like what happened with the F10.

I have never seen BMW have an LCI 2.5 years after the introduction. That again means LCI makes the most sense for MY2016 (3.5 years after the first car sold).

Originally Posted by Technic

What BMW may do is make MY2014 a long calendar year -17 months- and still make the LCI a MY2015 by January of 2015. That will also allow BMW to update the engines to -30i and -40i nomenclatures at the same time, á la E46.

I don't think we'll see a -40i designation in anything below a 6-series, for the foreseeable future.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SamS

Makes sense. That way the F80 (and probably F82?) can come out for MY2015, then after a model year, enjoy an LCI (and ZCP?) after a year, just like what happened with the F10.

I have never seen BMW have an LCI 2.5 years after the introduction. That again means LCI makes the most sense for MY2016 (3.5 years after the first car sold).

That's true, but again BMW also is cramming 5 model years in 3.5 calendar years lately. At least I will know for sure of the LCI next summer when I get an F30 via ED. Hopefully it will be MY2015...

I don't think we'll see a -40i designation in anything below a 6-series, for the foreseeable future.

Somewhere in this forum the 340i and the 440i designations were reported to be trademarked by BMW sometime last year. That does not mean that BMW will use them but both the N20 and the N55 are underrated (at 240 and 300hp respectively) so they are already at the -30i and -40i level. And the competition is already at the 270+ and 330hp+ level.

To me this is a done deal for the LCI at least.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You will not see an LCi for the F30 for another couple of years , the car is just selling too good to change anything yet.

Sales never stopped/delayed an LCI before... is this another change? :

If so then you guys are reading too many MB playbooks...

[turbolag]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You will not see an LCi for the F30 for another couple of years , the car is just selling too good to change anything yet.

selling too well*

But ehh...I was hoping for an early LCI so I could get a car that doesn't look outdated instantly, and have a modern-looking car for extra years, as well as lookig not-too-old against the next 3er.

[PrometheusM3]

It is so frustrating that this thread needs to exist. BMW slow-playing the LCI in the E9X was totally unnecessary; doing it again with the F3X/F8X is borderline insulting. New Kias and Hyundais come with LED tail and running lights, for God's sake.

When you factor in how BMW originally justified LED tails as a driver safety measure (instant-on lights giving drivers behind you more time to react), selling new cars without them in 2013 is just an outrageous and unjustifiable move.

Like others in this thread, I won't even consider an F82 until it has the same (or better) technology than my previous model. Is that really too much to ask?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Technic

Somewhere in this forum the 340i and the 440i designations were reported to be trademarked by BMW sometime last year. That does not mean that BMW will use them but both the N20 and the N55 are underrated (at 240 and 300hp respectively) so they are already at the -30i and -40i level. And the competition is already at the 270+ and 330hp+ level.

To me this is a done deal for the LCI at least.

Once the B48 and B58 engines arrive we'll definitely get more power. Whether we get new model name(s) to go with them is a separate matter in my mind. I could see it going either way.

We will likely see the new I6 arrive next year with the 4GC. Perhaps the I4 too.