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This is still half of the real thing, no mater what marketing says. You will have half of the engine, paying the full price.
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I suggest to recheck nring lap times before saying about your competitors and M-wellness. Apple still uses google seach engine, so you will have no problems finding correct results.
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I get move on it is future thing. If moving on means better things. However, I do not get when things are inferior and you want us to move on.
Saying that the new Porsche electric steering is overall better in new 911 does not make sense when most people that have reviewed the new car have called it not as good as the hydraulic unit. I have not driven the 911 but I would take their word for it. As for the F30 I have driven multiple different 328i. I have not enjoyed the steering feel or feed back of any single F30 328i over my E92 335i. In F30 the steering lacks the feedback and overall feel that made BMW's special. The steering feels artificial, overly light and numb sort of devoid of fun. This is also true for 5 series and 6 series. Quote:
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Now don't get me wrong I am OK with a 4 cyl turbo engine as long as it sounds great, revs high and has silky smooth delivery. After all it should be an improvement over what you previously had not step backwards. However, my personal driving experience with the BMW 4 cyl turbo engine has not been pleasant in F30 328i. It doe not evoke emotions like the I6 or V8 or V10. In other words it sounds like garbage and does not rev very high and delivery is not as silky smooth as the previously replaced smaller inline-6. If you are a luxury performance car company at least bring a bit more exciting I4 turbo engine so people would like it and not feel like it is down grade. Ditto goes with the garbage electric steering and stumbling bumbling stop and go. Quote:
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I've owned audi's and BMWs
The one main difference that is immediately noticeable Is the steering Any of the BMWs would run rings around the lifeless steering of the audi With the transition to electric steering, will BMW still have that feel? I doubt it I still don't get, technically, why an electric pump would make any difference in the steering vs hydraulic Unless the electric has a totally different setup I mean in both cases, isn't the pump just boosting the pressure of the fluid? Why the change in feel? I have a feeling what is ruining it, is the variable aspect of it So your can have the sport, sport plus etc settings
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C/D: M5 and M6 are relatively heavy cars. What about the upcoming, more-compact models?
FN: The weight of the M5 and M6 is on a level with the competition. But it is safe to assume that a lightweight approach is at the core of our business, and there will be an unconventional mix of materials where you won’t necessarily expect it. What i highlighted in red is what really caught my eye, i hate heavy cars as you can tell from my own lemma in my signature. I would rather take a 2800-3000 pound M car with 380hp than a 5000 pound 700 hp M Car. Good for you BMW , looks like they are taking a page from the toyobaru book, faster does not always mean more fun.
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As you can see theres still a rack and pinion type, meaning the steering wheel is fully mechanically connected to the steering gear/wheels. The el-motor will only assist with power when requiered, getting signal from the torque sensor on the coloumn, (among other sensors such as speed, angle etc). So what we call feel and feed back from the wheels/tyres will still be transmitted directly and mechanically through the steering coloumn and into your hands. Actually in speeds there is possible to turn of the el-motor completly when power is not necessary, leaving you with a mech steering, wich will be even better than hydr. But this is a matter or tuning by the car maker. So as you can see of this it should be possible to make the el-steering as good as or even better than hydraulic ones. Just a matter of tuning and set-up. Off course you have the "fly-by-wire" type as well, but this is hopeless, giving you only digital influence and feed-back. But theres more to steering feel and responciveness than just the type of steering system beeing used, it has to do with the whole setup of the car, weight-distribution, total weights, actuall location of the weights, and the geometry of the cars chassis. So its possible to have a car with a flawless steering system and still have poor feel. But not vica verca F10 M5 has an hydraulic steering, not el. as one guy claims earlier in this thread. Still it has got some critizism for bad steering, I blame this on the heavy weight etc, not easy to get a good and sporty steering out of a almost 2Tonne car. Have`nt driven it myself though.. Anyway, I dont think its right to banish the el. power steering just because its called electrical, as you can see there are several differnt types and we just have to wait and see whats what before we judge it. |
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_steering Edit: Didn't see above response - had loaded page and stepped away before replying. |
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Also an high performance I3 could be an nice solution for an small and really light sportscar. But my greates concern is this part of the interview in which Dr.Nitschke for the first time seem to say the (bad!) truth : Quote:
I am not an fan of hp-wars ... an lighter car would for me more importent than much more hp ... but that doesn´t meen that it was acceptable for me if they choose only the cheapest possible engine that comply with the minimum hp-needs. Greets Uli_HH |
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thank you that video was very good so maybe the current crop of engineers are still in the learning stage you know when you get something new, and you are showing it off and have no clue how to use it? we have the electric power steering on my wifes X3 and it is the worst thing about the car nothing is worse than taking a tightening curve, only to realize that your power assistance ratio has changed mid corner so what you thought was the right amount of steering movement now becomes too much and you have to dial it back very unsettling for such a heavy car I wonder how easy it is to pull the fuse of the electric power steering motor
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similar to your A/C compressor? because the negative of hydraulic power steering is there is a constant draw on the engine to spin the power steering pump, even when no assistance is needed. if you have a clutch, you would only engage it as lower speeds (parking etc) and disengage it at higher speeds there by increasing efficiency, without having audi-like lifeless steering
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Heck, Ferrari now has the FF, there's talk about Lamborghini coming out with an SUV (although that's nothing new), Pagani going turbocharged, Aston Martin makes a Toyota IQ clone ect... my point is, who the hell cares? Are people really naive enough to think that this is only happening to 1 company? If there's still a car that you like (even if the company makes a high performance SUV, oh no!!), then great! I for one am looking forward to the M2.
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but when your motto is "the ultimate driving machine" you really should be held to a higher standard ultimate does not include a turbo 3 cyl with M badges and electric steering I have nothing against the M2, when it comes out
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1. Electric steering does not vary assist mid-corner. 2. Varying assist would not cause you to have to re-evaluate your steering input. Or perhaps the X3 has a variable ratio rack that you're not used to? Dunno, but that's not simply down to EPS, that's for sure. |
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for the same steering input, the car would turn more or less if the assistance rate changes no?
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I'm just calling it as I see it, that's all. Personally, I couldn't care less that they have the Cayenne and the ridiculous Panamera (hate the way they look), I'd hop in ANY 991 or Cayman any day.
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I assume you have not read a single review of the new 911 then?
all the ones I have seen all mentioned how the steering on the new one is not as good as it used to be
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