01-16-2017, 09:06 AM | #111 |
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Hi Guys, can I know whether anyone getting this fault code after the Stage 2 flash? (194604 tank leakage modules, Electrically: linebreak) which cannot be deleted off
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01-24-2017, 04:32 PM | #118 | |
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No WiFi or cloud connectivity required either so you can do it track side in the middle of the desert if you needed to. The program switching takes 2 - 3 minutes and you're back on the road. I drive to the track in Stage 1, fill up with Race Fuel and switch to Stage 2+, then run a track day and switch back to Stage 1 for the drive home, then switch it back to Stock before my next service appointment, and then run their Features Only file when my wife wants to drive it. That's 4 MAP switches over a hypothetical 3 day weekend and covers every base I need! |
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And at that point are they custom tuning your car on the dyno, or are they just sending you their OTS shelf file that you then need to data log and make sure it's good? My point is that any price savings up front with BM3 is negated once you start going custom, and anyone who thinks trial and error tuning by datslogging on the street is the way to go will be in for a rude awakening when a 91 Octane Stage 1 file runs away from them. |
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Let me see, 595 for bm3 includes the full platform and a map. Everything you need to custom tune, logging, diagnostics, charting, FREEDOM to work with any tuner anywhere on the PLANET, even do your own tuning if you like and last but certainly not least resale value. Flash and forget if you like with their OTS maps that have shown to perform strong on many cars already and its 595 done. VF is correct me if I'm wrong 895 and cable is 300, so 1195 if you want map switching ability on VF only provided maps. 600 difference and you have no map to switch to yet. None of it is the same at all!
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I really can't and shouldn't get into cost savings aspect of tuning but bm3 is very competitive. Regardless however the road I took and I like to try new things, I've had 1.jb4 2. Enzo bench flash 3. ACF custom dyno flash (current) 4.Bm3 map (current) Not the cheaper route by any means but I've enjoyed trying different things. And as far as one is better than the other I don't think I read one comment that said VF map is not good. I've seen dynos I've seen some runs it looks very legit and the cars are fast. I think you're missing the mark in some ways as the tuning platform is the discussion and bm3 very well for 1/2 the price and it provides more options.
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Every feature you've described for BM3 either requires additional cost, additional time & effort, or both. Custom tuning isn't free and data logging is a chore. And still neither of those features guarantees better results. If you want the lower priced tune using an off the shelf file then there's no doubt BM3 is the cheapest option. If you want a custom tune that will surpass what HEX is already offering then it will cost you more. |
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BM3 is 595 with all its features, including DCT transmission flash, and cable is 10-20, so all in 605-615. Get 3 additional BM3 S55 OTS maps at 100/pop if you wanted to (makes no sense by the way at all when you can go custom for 300) you're at 895 with either 4 OTS maps or 1 OTS and 1 fully custom to what you need. So for the price of all BM3 features, convenience of an iPhone or Android app, resale value and power that is second to none you're telling me VF's Stage 1 flash and forget file is somehow a better option? I'd love to have you defend me in court. |
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Your argument could also be used for why I should by a fully optioned 4-series over a base model M4. Options, options, options, get more for less, yada, yada, yada. Some people just don't base their priorities that way. I don't mind paying more to have more of what I actually want and less of what I don't need. |
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Dejan_ +1 on your post too sorry there were too many but exactly what it is. Quote:
Less is more, they just dont get it.
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BM3 OTS maps include burbles, I'm sure they would be fine making you a stock map with just burbles if that's what you're looking for. |
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Your philosophy would make sense if VF was like an M4 and BM3 was like a loaded 4 series, but BM3 has happy customers running their OTS maps with the exact same "flash and forget" mentality so what exactly is VF offering if BM3 is proving to be just as reliable and refined? But hey, if paying more really gives you that feeling of security, I bet PTF could work out a price that works for you. |
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Maybe it's because the HEX Software has been available for significantly longer than BM3, but their dynos present better power, they have some of the quickest cars in the country on stock turbos and pump gas, and their GTS burble sounds and functions closer to the actual GTS.
So yeah, I'll double down on my opinion that OTS vs. OTS, is like an optioned out 4-series vs. an M4 because as least for now HEX is outperforming. That to me is Less features that I don't need and More power off the shelf. |
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Back to the point that not everyone cares for the 'extra' features that the Bootmod3 tune offers (seriously, why the hell would I care that my tuning device has access to the cloud?). It has it's value to the hardcore folks, I'm sure, but for the folks that just want good CONSISTENT power without worrying about anything else - HEX is where its at. For a slight premium, sure, but an better overall product usually commands a higher price for these obvious reasons. PS: In my opinion, the BM3 burbles sound like sh!t compared to the GTS/ZCP/VF HEX OTS burbles and I don't want to tinker with the tune to get the sound I want, much less send engine maps back and forth to someone increasing the probability of error.
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