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      01-16-2017, 09:06 AM   #111
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Hi Guys, can I know whether anyone getting this fault code after the Stage 2 flash? (194604 tank leakage modules, Electrically: linebreak) which cannot be deleted off
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I would be interested to find out of the HEX tune has solved the throttle blade closures at WOT, particularly in the 2015 and Non-ZCP cars. We all know that BM3 has resolved this horrible tuning flaw from the factory but if VF has not solved it in their tune, its going to be a far worse tune than BM3 by a long ways. This does not even consider the total lack of features it offers along with its materially higher price tag.

To each his own I guess.
Easy to resolve it. Start tuning off the ZCP tune as base I wonder if this is what BM3 does now?
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Hi Guys, can I know whether anyone getting this fault code after the Stage 2 flash? (194604 tank leakage modules, Electrically: linebreak) which cannot be deleted off
Andy, you got mail its DMTL pump (i.e. emissions) related
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Andy, you got mail its DMTL pump (i.e. emissions) related
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I was under the impression that both VF/hex and BM3 are basically the same thing.
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Random for this thread but , is there anything being worked for torque management for manual cars ?
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This has to be one of the coolest features of BM3. It allows the "client" complete freedom. I'm running BM3 maps and Enzo Racing maps too and I don't have to make a drive to a vendor every time I wanna switch between them. Just open up the Bootmod3 app and two minutes later I can be on the road with any flash I want.
There's no reason to go back to anywhere. Once the ECU is unlocked HEX Tuning offers full OBDII MAP switching.

No WiFi or cloud connectivity required either so you can do it track side in the middle of the desert if you needed to. The program switching takes 2 - 3 minutes and you're back on the road. I drive to the track in Stage 1, fill up with Race Fuel and switch to Stage 2+, then run a track day and switch back to Stage 1 for the drive home, then switch it back to Stock before my next service appointment, and then run their Features Only file when my wife wants to drive it. That's 4 MAP switches over a hypothetical 3 day weekend and covers every base I need!
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Endless possibilities man. It's amazing utilizing other tuners maps.

In the last month alone what PTF has done with the agent software, new agent runner, ability to update the agent now with just the app is just jaw dropping.

I have a lot of respect for these tuners and the time it goes into providing what we want. There's room to grow even further, hey if VF wanted to there's room on my agent for one of their maps I'm game if they want to work with PTF, I know PTF will work with any Tuner. Send it on over...
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Endless possibilities man. It's amazing utilizing other tuners maps.

In the last month alone what PTF has done with the agent software, new agent runner, ability to update the agent now with just the app is just jaw dropping.

I have a lot of respect for these tuners and the time it goes into providing what we want. There's room to grow even further, hey if VF wanted to there's room on my agent for one of their maps I'm game if they want to work with PTF, I know PTF will work with any Tuner. Send it on over...
Other tuners maps aren't free, so how much do you have to pay ACF or Enzo?

And at that point are they custom tuning your car on the dyno, or are they just sending you their OTS shelf file that you then need to data log and make sure it's good?

My point is that any price savings up front with BM3 is negated once you start going custom, and anyone who thinks trial and error tuning by datslogging on the street is the way to go will be in for a rude awakening when a 91 Octane Stage 1 file runs away from them.
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Let me see, 595 for bm3 includes the full platform and a map. Everything you need to custom tune, logging, diagnostics, charting, FREEDOM to work with any tuner anywhere on the PLANET, even do your own tuning if you like and last but certainly not least resale value. Flash and forget if you like with their OTS maps that have shown to perform strong on many cars already and its 595 done. VF is correct me if I'm wrong 895 and cable is 300, so 1195 if you want map switching ability on VF only provided maps. 600 difference and you have no map to switch to yet. None of it is the same at all!
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Endless possibilities man. It's amazing utilizing other tuners maps.

In the last month alone what PTF has done with the agent software, new agent runner, ability to update the agent now with just the app is just jaw dropping.

I have a lot of respect for these tuners and the time it goes into providing what we want. There's room to grow even further, hey if VF wanted to there's room on my agent for one of their maps I'm game if they want to work with PTF, I know PTF will work with any Tuner. Send it on over...
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Endless possibilities man. It's amazing utilizing other tuners maps.

In the last month alone what PTF has done with the agent software, new agent runner, ability to update the agent now with just the app is just jaw dropping.

I have a lot of respect for these tuners and the time it goes into providing what we want. There's room to grow even further, hey if VF wanted to there's room on my agent for one of their maps I'm game if they want to work with PTF, I know PTF will work with any Tuner. Send it on over...
Other tuners maps aren't free, so how much do you have to pay ACF or Enzo?

And at that point are they custom tuning your car on the dyno, or are they just sending you their OTS shelf file that you then need to data log and make sure it's good?

My point is that any price savings up front with BM3 is negated once you start going custom, and anyone who thinks trial and error tuning by datslogging on the street is the way to go will be in for a rude awakening when a 91 Octane Stage 1 file runs away from them.
I'm not sure what Enzo charges anymore but my ACF map I've had for quite a while, I just transferred it over to the agent. And I'm very good friends with Alex@ACF so I'll just use the word I'm privileged to a lot of extras .

I really can't and shouldn't get into cost savings aspect of tuning but bm3 is very competitive.

Regardless however the road I took and I like to try new things,

I've had
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3. ACF custom dyno flash (current)
4.Bm3 map (current)

Not the cheaper route by any means but I've enjoyed trying different things.

And as far as one is better than the other I don't think I read one comment that said VF map is not good. I've seen dynos I've seen some runs it looks very legit and the cars are fast. I think you're missing the mark in some ways as the tuning platform is the discussion and bm3 very well for 1/2 the price and it provides more options.
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Let me see, 595 for bm3 includes the full platform and a map. Everything you need to custom tune, logging, diagnostics, charting, FREEDOM to work with any tuner anywhere on the PLANET, even do your own tuning if you like and last but certainly not least resale value. Flash and forget if you like with their OTS maps that have shown to perform strong on many cars already and its 595 done. VF is correct me if I'm wrong 895 and cable is 300, so 1195 if you want map switching ability on VF only provided maps. 600 difference and you have no map to switch to yet. None of it is the same at all!
Not apples to apples by any means, but I guess that's probably your point.

Every feature you've described for BM3 either requires additional cost, additional time & effort, or both. Custom tuning isn't free and data logging is a chore. And still neither of those features guarantees better results.

If you want the lower priced tune using an off the shelf file then there's no doubt BM3 is the cheapest option. If you want a custom tune that will surpass what HEX is already offering then it will cost you more.
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Not apples to apples by any means, but I guess that's probably your point.

Every feature you've described for BM3 either requires additional cost, additional time & effort, or both. Custom tuning isn't free and data logging is a chore. And still neither of those features guarantees better results.

If you want the lower priced tune using an off the shelf file then there's no doubt BM3 is the cheapest option. If you want a custom tune that will surpass what HEX is already offering then it will cost you more.
Ok let me further break this down for you. VF is 1195, flash and forget, with a cable to switch to any map you can obtain only from VF, if they have it already made. Get 3 additional VF maps, as you mentioned 4, you're another 4-500 on top so 1595-1695 right?

BM3 is 595 with all its features, including DCT transmission flash, and cable is 10-20, so all in 605-615. Get 3 additional BM3 S55 OTS maps at 100/pop if you wanted to (makes no sense by the way at all when you can go custom for 300) you're at 895 with either 4 OTS maps or 1 OTS and 1 fully custom to what you need. So for the price of all BM3 features, convenience of an iPhone or Android app, resale value and power that is second to none you're telling me VF's Stage 1 flash and forget file is somehow a better option? I'd love to have you defend me in court.
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Ok let me further break this down for you. VF is 1195, flash and forget, with a cable to switch to any map you can obtain only from VF, if they have it already made. Get 3 additional VF maps, as you mentioned 4, you're another 4-500 on top so 1595-1695 right?

BM3 is 595 with all its features, including DCT transmission flash, and cable is 10-20, so all in 605-615. Get 3 additional BM3 S55 OTS maps at 100/pop if you wanted to (makes no sense by the way at all when you can go custom for 300) you're at 895 with either 4 OTS maps or 1 OTS and 1 fully custom to what you need. So for the price of all BM3 features, convenience of an iPhone or Android app, resale value and power that is second to none you're telling me VF's Stage 1 flash and forget file is somehow a better option? I'd love to have you defend me in court.

Your argument could also be used for why I should by a fully optioned 4-series over a base model M4. Options, options, options, get more for less, yada, yada, yada. Some people just don't base their priorities that way. I don't mind paying more to have more of what I actually want and less of what I don't need.
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Your argument could also be used for why I should by a fully optioned 4-series over a base model M4. Options, options, options, get more for less, yada, yada, yada. Some people just don't base their priorities that way. I don't mind paying more to have more of what I actually want and less of what I don't need.
"Less is more", its finally coming together. I see the light.
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This has to be one of the coolest features of BM3. It allows the "client" complete freedom. I'm running BM3 maps and Enzo Racing maps too and I don't have to make a drive to a vendor every time I wanna switch between them. Just open up the Bootmod3 app and two minutes later I can be on the road with any flash I want.
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Ok let me further break this down for you. VF is
1195, flash and forget, with a cable to switch to any map you can obtain only from VF, if they have it already made. Get 3 additional VF maps, as you mentioned 4, you're another 4-500 on top so 1595-1695 right?

BM3 is 595 with all its features, including DCT transmission flash, and cable is 10-20, so all in 605-615. Get 3 additional BM3 S55 OTS maps at 100/pop if you wanted to (makes no sense by the way at all when you can go custom for 300) you're at 895 with either 4 OTS maps or 1 OTS and 1 fully custom to what you need. So for the price of all BM3 features, convenience of an iPhone or Android app, resale value and power that is second to none you're telling me VF's Stage 1 flash and forget file is somehow a better option? I'd love to have you defend me in court.
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I just want some burbles. i wish bmw would make that an opition thru their dealers i would pay big money
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I just want some burbles. i wish bmw would make that an opition thru their dealers i would pay big money
Why pay BMW big money?

BM3 OTS maps include burbles, I'm sure they would be fine making you a stock map with just burbles if that's what you're looking for.
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Ok let me further break this down for you. VF is 1195, flash and forget, with a cable to switch to any map you can obtain only from VF, if they have it already made. Get 3 additional VF maps, as you mentioned 4, you're another 4-500 on top so 1595-1695 right?

BM3 is 595 with all its features, including DCT transmission flash, and cable is 10-20, so all in 605-615. Get 3 additional BM3 S55 OTS maps at 100/pop if you wanted to (makes no sense by the way at all when you can go custom for 300) you're at 895 with either 4 OTS maps or 1 OTS and 1 fully custom to what you need. So for the price of all BM3 features, convenience of an iPhone or Android app, resale value and power that is second to none you're telling me VF's Stage 1 flash and forget file is somehow a better option? I'd love to have you defend me in court.

Your argument could also be used for why I should by a fully optioned 4-series over a base model M4. Options, options, options, get more for less, yada, yada, yada. Some people just don't base their priorities that way. I don't mind paying more to have more of what I actually want and less of what I don't need.
I'm still not seeing how you're getting more of anything with VF in this case.

Your philosophy would make sense if VF was like an M4 and BM3 was like a loaded 4 series, but BM3 has happy customers running their OTS maps with the exact same "flash and forget" mentality so what exactly is VF offering if BM3 is proving to be just as reliable and refined?

But hey, if paying more really gives you that feeling of security, I bet PTF could work out a price that works for you.
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Maybe it's because the HEX Software has been available for significantly longer than BM3, but their dynos present better power, they have some of the quickest cars in the country on stock turbos and pump gas, and their GTS burble sounds and functions closer to the actual GTS.

So yeah, I'll double down on my opinion that OTS vs. OTS, is like an optioned out 4-series vs. an M4 because as least for now HEX is outperforming. That to me is Less features that I don't need and More power off the shelf.
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Maybe it's because the HEX Software has been available for significantly longer than BM3, but their dynos present better power, they have some of the quickest cars in the country on stock turbos and pump gas, and their GTS burble sounds and functions closer to the actual GTS.

So yeah, I'll double down on my opinion that OTS vs. OTS, is like an optioned out 4-series vs. an M4 because as least for now HEX is outperforming. That to me is Less features that I don't need and More power off the shelf.
This.

Back to the point that not everyone cares for the 'extra' features that the Bootmod3 tune offers (seriously, why the hell would I care that my tuning device has access to the cloud?). It has it's value to the hardcore folks, I'm sure, but for the folks that just want good CONSISTENT power without worrying about anything else - HEX is where its at. For a slight premium, sure, but an better overall product usually commands a higher price for these obvious reasons.

PS: In my opinion, the BM3 burbles sound like sh!t compared to the GTS/ZCP/VF HEX OTS burbles and I don't want to tinker with the tune to get the sound I want, much less send engine maps back and forth to someone increasing the probability of error.
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S55 E85 beta map in testing stock turbos vs FBO GTR:


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Above Pure Stage 2 car at 1/2 mile: 172.8mph:


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